1 00:00:06,829 --> 00:00:04,450 [Music] 2 00:00:15,070 --> 00:00:06,839 one realizes very quickly we've been 3 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:23,570 I had access to to all those programs 4 00:00:40,970 --> 00:00:38,090 [Music] 5 00:00:43,250 --> 00:00:40,980 feet long there's no windows no no real 6 00:00:45,650 --> 00:00:43,260 wings or control surfaces no obvious 7 00:00:47,630 --> 00:00:45,660 signs of propulsion and yet this object 8 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:47,640 is witnessed Now by four separate 9 00:00:58,910 --> 00:00:49,930 individuals in two separate aircraft 10 00:01:01,970 --> 00:00:58,920 [Music] 11 00:01:04,250 --> 00:01:01,980 hey guys welcome back to the channel I 12 00:01:06,170 --> 00:01:04,260 am so happy to be here 13 00:01:08,390 --> 00:01:06,180 um before we bring on my guests just a 14 00:01:11,330 --> 00:01:08,400 few uh house rules as always please keep 15 00:01:13,490 --> 00:01:11,340 the chat nice cool calm and collected 16 00:01:15,289 --> 00:01:13,500 and we can all have good conversations 17 00:01:17,630 --> 00:01:15,299 without being 18 00:01:19,370 --> 00:01:17,640 abusive or anything like that you're 19 00:01:21,649 --> 00:01:19,380 always really good so I always 20 00:01:22,310 --> 00:01:21,659 appreciate that 21 00:01:23,690 --> 00:01:22,320 um 22 00:01:25,609 --> 00:01:23,700 I'm not going to really talk about the 23 00:01:26,870 --> 00:01:25,619 UAP report at all because we're still 24 00:01:29,690 --> 00:01:26,880 waiting on that 25 00:01:31,789 --> 00:01:29,700 that's a whole nother story altogether 26 00:01:33,649 --> 00:01:31,799 yeah if you have any questions for Grant 27 00:01:35,749 --> 00:01:33,659 during the conversation please pop them 28 00:01:37,190 --> 00:01:35,759 in capital letters I'm more likely to 29 00:01:38,929 --> 00:01:37,200 see them and then I can pop a little 30 00:01:41,030 --> 00:01:38,939 star and they add to my little list as 31 00:01:43,370 --> 00:01:41,040 well so I can try and get around to to 32 00:01:44,990 --> 00:01:43,380 answering them at some point and that's 33 00:01:46,490 --> 00:01:45,000 it so yeah I'm really happy to be 34 00:01:48,289 --> 00:01:46,500 talking to my guest today I've been 35 00:01:50,690 --> 00:01:48,299 following Grant's work since I first got 36 00:01:53,050 --> 00:01:50,700 into this subject over a decade ago 37 00:01:55,910 --> 00:01:53,060 Grant's been researching since about 38 00:01:57,230 --> 00:01:55,920 1976 and he's covered most aspects of 39 00:01:59,990 --> 00:01:57,240 the phenomena so we're going to try and 40 00:02:01,670 --> 00:02:00,000 cover a decent amount of topics today so 41 00:02:05,209 --> 00:02:01,680 without further Ado guys please welcome 42 00:02:06,709 --> 00:02:05,219 Grand Cameron Grant how you doing just 43 00:02:09,830 --> 00:02:06,719 doing fine Vinnie thank you for the 44 00:02:11,750 --> 00:02:09,840 invite here and I'm I'm excited I'm 45 00:02:14,030 --> 00:02:11,760 always excited about my field here and 46 00:02:16,250 --> 00:02:14,040 what I've done and at my age I'm excited 47 00:02:19,550 --> 00:02:16,260 to be anywhere so go ahead and let's get 48 00:02:21,350 --> 00:02:19,560 going excellent well we mentioned just 49 00:02:22,910 --> 00:02:21,360 before that one of the really important 50 00:02:25,190 --> 00:02:22,920 conversations that's been happening in 51 00:02:26,630 --> 00:02:25,200 uh well since this kind of Summer since 52 00:02:28,430 --> 00:02:26,640 the Congressional hearings was the 53 00:02:30,710 --> 00:02:28,440 Wilson Davis notes or the Wilson Davis 54 00:02:32,210 --> 00:02:30,720 memo which we've covered on this channel 55 00:02:34,430 --> 00:02:32,220 and I think a lot of people have kind of 56 00:02:35,930 --> 00:02:34,440 covered the core story but one thing 57 00:02:37,729 --> 00:02:35,940 that I'd like you to sort of touch upon 58 00:02:40,010 --> 00:02:37,739 and give us a bit of detail and depth on 59 00:02:42,530 --> 00:02:40,020 is the oak Shannon notes and the Jack 60 00:02:44,930 --> 00:02:42,540 Hulk notes that you Melinda Leslie and 61 00:02:46,610 --> 00:02:44,940 Nicole have discussed so I don't know 62 00:02:47,990 --> 00:02:46,620 where you want to start with them but if 63 00:02:49,490 --> 00:02:48,000 you could talk to their provenance and 64 00:02:51,170 --> 00:02:49,500 importance that would be great okay so 65 00:02:53,630 --> 00:02:51,180 for people who know what the notes are 66 00:02:56,509 --> 00:02:53,640 the Eric Davis has a conversation with 67 00:02:58,850 --> 00:02:56,519 the former uh head of intelligence for 68 00:03:01,790 --> 00:02:58,860 The Joint Chiefs of Staff who had gone 69 00:03:03,229 --> 00:03:01,800 on a search and had discovered the 70 00:03:05,150 --> 00:03:03,239 program and discovered a back 71 00:03:08,150 --> 00:03:05,160 engineering program and was told to back 72 00:03:09,530 --> 00:03:08,160 off or he'd lose a star and he basically 73 00:03:12,229 --> 00:03:09,540 backed off then he had a conversation 74 00:03:14,930 --> 00:03:12,239 with with Eric Davis and these notes 75 00:03:16,910 --> 00:03:14,940 came to me from James rigney out of 76 00:03:18,710 --> 00:03:16,920 Australia and I found a way to get him 77 00:03:20,690 --> 00:03:18,720 on the internet they sat on the internet 78 00:03:22,130 --> 00:03:20,700 for quite a while for I don't know four 79 00:03:24,290 --> 00:03:22,140 or five months before anybody ever 80 00:03:26,690 --> 00:03:24,300 discovered them and then they sort of 81 00:03:28,729 --> 00:03:26,700 went viral and then people are disputing 82 00:03:30,170 --> 00:03:28,739 or are they real or they're not real and 83 00:03:31,910 --> 00:03:30,180 we've actually learned in the last 84 00:03:35,270 --> 00:03:31,920 little while which kind of upsets me 85 00:03:37,130 --> 00:03:35,280 because my big thing is I'm the kind of 86 00:03:38,270 --> 00:03:37,140 guy that you you know you if you want to 87 00:03:40,309 --> 00:03:38,280 keep a secret you better not tell me 88 00:03:42,770 --> 00:03:40,319 because I'm going to tell everybody and 89 00:03:45,649 --> 00:03:42,780 I wanted this thing out and I now I've 90 00:03:48,530 --> 00:03:45,659 learned you know the the idea that 91 00:03:52,309 --> 00:03:48,540 um that uh Leslie Kane had seen these 92 00:03:53,869 --> 00:03:52,319 notes in 2007 or 2008 and Jack ballet 93 00:03:56,390 --> 00:03:53,879 has now admitted he saw them at least 94 00:03:58,250 --> 00:03:56,400 eight years before they were released 95 00:04:00,770 --> 00:03:58,260 and all these people sat on this stuff 96 00:04:02,690 --> 00:04:00,780 and it's like I always disputed this in 97 00:04:04,369 --> 00:04:02,700 in past I got so upset with the UFO 98 00:04:07,369 --> 00:04:04,379 Community I said if the UFO Community 99 00:04:09,110 --> 00:04:07,379 has they have more more secrets than the 100 00:04:11,570 --> 00:04:09,120 government and that if every UFO 101 00:04:13,250 --> 00:04:11,580 researcher would put their stuff on the 102 00:04:15,949 --> 00:04:13,260 internet it would all be over because I 103 00:04:17,810 --> 00:04:15,959 and I know like I even went to 104 00:04:19,370 --> 00:04:17,820 um to Stanton Friedman's files I wanted 105 00:04:20,870 --> 00:04:19,380 to see certain things the Statin 106 00:04:21,949 --> 00:04:20,880 Friedman's files because I figured oh he 107 00:04:23,570 --> 00:04:21,959 must have something that he hid 108 00:04:25,730 --> 00:04:23,580 something that he didn't tell anybody 109 00:04:29,090 --> 00:04:25,740 and I'm gonna find it in in his notes 110 00:04:31,430 --> 00:04:29,100 but so I I got these notes out there and 111 00:04:33,170 --> 00:04:31,440 then the reason that I knew they were 112 00:04:36,230 --> 00:04:33,180 important when James rigney first showed 113 00:04:38,510 --> 00:04:36,240 them to me in I guess it was 2018 in 114 00:04:40,909 --> 00:04:38,520 November at the conference in Laughlin 115 00:04:42,770 --> 00:04:40,919 Nevada I didn't want to I didn't want to 116 00:04:44,390 --> 00:04:42,780 see these notes I said oh just just send 117 00:04:45,950 --> 00:04:44,400 me these the document whatever it is 118 00:04:48,710 --> 00:04:45,960 because you get contacted all the time 119 00:04:50,570 --> 00:04:48,720 and uh so when he showed them to me he 120 00:04:52,730 --> 00:04:50,580 was on an iPad and he walked off into 121 00:04:54,409 --> 00:04:52,740 the casino and I'm looking at this and 122 00:04:58,550 --> 00:04:54,419 the first thing I noticed on the front 123 00:05:00,770 --> 00:04:58,560 page was uh Oak Shannon's name and the 124 00:05:03,890 --> 00:05:00,780 thing was when this conversation took 125 00:05:05,629 --> 00:05:03,900 place in 2002 I knew Eric Davis uh they 126 00:05:07,730 --> 00:05:05,639 were the he was working he had just been 127 00:05:10,129 --> 00:05:07,740 laid off from nids he didn't have a job 128 00:05:11,990 --> 00:05:10,139 he he and the needs people were 129 00:05:15,230 --> 00:05:12,000 interested in the Canadian government 130 00:05:18,590 --> 00:05:15,240 propulsion uh they were interested in my 131 00:05:20,330 --> 00:05:18,600 information on the uh Holloman Air Force 132 00:05:22,129 --> 00:05:20,340 Base uh film they were trying to figure 133 00:05:23,570 --> 00:05:22,139 out all these Mysteries and so I had 134 00:05:25,129 --> 00:05:23,580 some conversations with a lot of these 135 00:05:26,450 --> 00:05:25,139 high-ranking people until I sort of 136 00:05:28,670 --> 00:05:26,460 started leaking stuff and then they 137 00:05:31,249 --> 00:05:28,680 stopped talking to me but anyway 138 00:05:32,570 --> 00:05:31,259 um so I was talking to uh uh Eric Davis 139 00:05:34,310 --> 00:05:32,580 at the time and he told me a lot of 140 00:05:35,689 --> 00:05:34,320 really interesting stuff and I basically 141 00:05:37,310 --> 00:05:35,699 say he's the sharpest knife in the 142 00:05:39,050 --> 00:05:37,320 drawer I mean he knows a lot of stuff 143 00:05:40,550 --> 00:05:39,060 that you have no idea what Eric Davis 144 00:05:42,830 --> 00:05:40,560 knows I mean he was a Former 145 00:05:44,689 --> 00:05:42,840 Intelligence guy and then he got into 146 00:05:46,610 --> 00:05:44,699 the UFO when he had the UFO sighting on 147 00:05:49,909 --> 00:05:46,620 the day he graduated and stuff like that 148 00:05:52,310 --> 00:05:49,919 but I was talking to him and he provided 149 00:05:54,950 --> 00:05:52,320 me with this uh set of notes from Oak 150 00:05:59,689 --> 00:05:54,960 Shannon from it used to be called the 151 00:06:02,029 --> 00:05:59,699 UFO working the UFO UFO group and there 152 00:06:05,749 --> 00:06:02,039 was an actual book written by 153 00:06:07,969 --> 00:06:05,759 um New York Times Reporter 154 00:06:09,350 --> 00:06:07,979 um his name's Escape Howard Bloom wrote 155 00:06:11,090 --> 00:06:09,360 a book on it and they were called the 156 00:06:12,469 --> 00:06:11,100 UFO working group and then it was 157 00:06:14,090 --> 00:06:12,479 rumored and people are trying to figure 158 00:06:17,629 --> 00:06:14,100 out who was on the group and stuff like 159 00:06:20,810 --> 00:06:17,639 that so when I got these these notes 160 00:06:23,330 --> 00:06:20,820 um from Eric Davis uh he said that when 161 00:06:26,090 --> 00:06:23,340 Oak Shannon auction had a heart attack 162 00:06:27,590 --> 00:06:26,100 and he said if folk Shannon dies you can 163 00:06:28,969 --> 00:06:27,600 release these notes as soon as and it 164 00:06:31,909 --> 00:06:28,979 didn't appear that ok Shannon would live 165 00:06:34,309 --> 00:06:31,919 he was pretty seriously and uh sick and 166 00:06:37,010 --> 00:06:34,319 so I said okay fine so I I held these 167 00:06:40,070 --> 00:06:37,020 notes and then 168 00:06:42,409 --> 00:06:40,080 um the the Wilson document was shown to 169 00:06:43,430 --> 00:06:42,419 me on this iPad and I remember I'm 170 00:06:45,290 --> 00:06:43,440 looking at this thing and I saw 171 00:06:48,050 --> 00:06:45,300 auction's name and I saw Eric Davis's 172 00:06:49,969 --> 00:06:48,060 name and I knew that Oak Shannon was 173 00:06:50,809 --> 00:06:49,979 good friends with Eric Davis and I'm 174 00:06:53,629 --> 00:06:50,819 going 175 00:06:54,830 --> 00:06:53,639 holy cow and I'm thinking wow this is 176 00:06:57,290 --> 00:06:54,840 something else and all I saw was the 177 00:06:59,570 --> 00:06:57,300 first page and maybe maybe part of the 178 00:07:02,210 --> 00:06:59,580 second page of this document and I was 179 00:07:04,129 --> 00:07:02,220 going like wow I mean this is and I'm 180 00:07:05,870 --> 00:07:04,139 thinking like James is not around and 181 00:07:07,129 --> 00:07:05,880 I'm going I got to get this document I 182 00:07:08,210 --> 00:07:07,139 gotta I gotta get this document I'm 183 00:07:09,230 --> 00:07:08,220 thinking how am I gonna get this 184 00:07:11,029 --> 00:07:09,240 document and I'm thinking well maybe 185 00:07:13,249 --> 00:07:11,039 maybe I'll photograph the screen before 186 00:07:14,930 --> 00:07:13,259 James comes back like at least get the 187 00:07:16,490 --> 00:07:14,940 document I didn't realize there's 15 188 00:07:17,809 --> 00:07:16,500 pages and I've never read the whole 189 00:07:19,610 --> 00:07:17,819 document I've never read the Wilson 190 00:07:21,529 --> 00:07:19,620 League document I saw the first page 191 00:07:23,930 --> 00:07:21,539 without auction his name on and when I 192 00:07:25,850 --> 00:07:23,940 had osaw and his name and Eric Davis 193 00:07:27,529 --> 00:07:25,860 having this conversation with this this 194 00:07:29,689 --> 00:07:27,539 Admiral I knew this is the real deal 195 00:07:32,270 --> 00:07:29,699 because the thing was I was the only 196 00:07:34,070 --> 00:07:32,280 person in ufology other than the nids 197 00:07:36,170 --> 00:07:34,080 people who know who Shannon was nobody 198 00:07:38,029 --> 00:07:36,180 knew who Shannon was I knew that he was 199 00:07:39,350 --> 00:07:38,039 this high level guy and so I would check 200 00:07:41,390 --> 00:07:39,360 every once in a while I would go and 201 00:07:42,830 --> 00:07:41,400 check his his bio to see if he died yet 202 00:07:44,390 --> 00:07:42,840 oh and then he was he was on the board 203 00:07:46,070 --> 00:07:44,400 of this company Aerospace company and 204 00:07:48,770 --> 00:07:46,080 the board of this and it was like this 205 00:07:50,689 --> 00:07:48,780 very powerful guy and and then he he 206 00:07:54,469 --> 00:07:50,699 just never seemed to die but then okay 207 00:07:56,990 --> 00:07:54,479 and went live and he he came live and he 208 00:07:59,990 --> 00:07:57,000 did an interview uh with 209 00:08:02,689 --> 00:08:00,000 um with Jay and as soon as that happened 210 00:08:04,249 --> 00:08:02,699 then I said well okay well I mean if 211 00:08:06,350 --> 00:08:04,259 he's gone live I mean why am I holding 212 00:08:08,270 --> 00:08:06,360 these notes now there's no point and so 213 00:08:09,950 --> 00:08:08,280 I said okay I'm gonna release the notes 214 00:08:11,809 --> 00:08:09,960 and Oak Shannon came back to me on 215 00:08:13,730 --> 00:08:11,819 Twitter and he said can you show me the 216 00:08:15,230 --> 00:08:13,740 notes before you release them I'm not 217 00:08:16,909 --> 00:08:15,240 going to stop you but I'd like to see 218 00:08:18,469 --> 00:08:16,919 what's coming they wanted to know what 219 00:08:20,089 --> 00:08:18,479 kind of backlash it was going to be and 220 00:08:21,650 --> 00:08:20,099 I showed her notes and he basically said 221 00:08:24,110 --> 00:08:21,660 well you know yeah I don't really 222 00:08:26,749 --> 00:08:24,120 remember this and I don't know what this 223 00:08:28,909 --> 00:08:26,759 is all about whatever and so then when I 224 00:08:30,290 --> 00:08:28,919 I released the notes 225 00:08:32,990 --> 00:08:30,300 um the important thing to me in the 226 00:08:35,029 --> 00:08:33,000 notes too because it's 27 pages and and 227 00:08:37,070 --> 00:08:35,039 Melinda Leslie had some that were from 228 00:08:39,170 --> 00:08:37,080 Oak Shannon so there was this group 229 00:08:40,969 --> 00:08:39,180 called the uh it used as I said it was 230 00:08:44,410 --> 00:08:40,979 called the UFO working group but then 231 00:08:48,230 --> 00:08:44,420 when I released this back in maybe 2003 232 00:08:50,210 --> 00:08:48,240 2004 at a conference in 233 00:08:51,769 --> 00:08:50,220 um Eureka Springs I released the names 234 00:08:53,210 --> 00:08:51,779 of the people I mentioned the fact that 235 00:08:55,670 --> 00:08:53,220 it was called the advanced physics 236 00:08:58,130 --> 00:08:55,680 Advanced physics theoretical conference 237 00:09:00,470 --> 00:08:58,140 and I had the front page and I just took 238 00:09:03,050 --> 00:09:00,480 out the section because I I didn't I it 239 00:09:04,910 --> 00:09:03,060 was labeled top secret restricted so it 240 00:09:07,730 --> 00:09:04,920 was a a a 241 00:09:10,730 --> 00:09:07,740 um a document from the uh Department of 242 00:09:12,110 --> 00:09:10,740 energy because John Alexander was with 243 00:09:14,150 --> 00:09:12,120 Los Alamos which is under the department 244 00:09:15,230 --> 00:09:14,160 of energy so I just put the middle part 245 00:09:16,970 --> 00:09:15,240 because I didn't want to put the top 246 00:09:19,190 --> 00:09:16,980 secret part on there so I just put that 247 00:09:21,410 --> 00:09:19,200 and then I put the names and remember uh 248 00:09:23,750 --> 00:09:21,420 Tim good came to me and he said uh 249 00:09:26,449 --> 00:09:23,760 Timothy good says to me says uh you know 250 00:09:28,250 --> 00:09:26,459 uh you put those names on and George 251 00:09:30,530 --> 00:09:28,260 wingfield's game as well and they said 252 00:09:33,350 --> 00:09:30,540 hey you put those names on the screen I 253 00:09:34,910 --> 00:09:33,360 said yeah okay I only put them on the 254 00:09:37,550 --> 00:09:34,920 screen for one second so nobody could 255 00:09:40,250 --> 00:09:37,560 copy them down and then he said uh could 256 00:09:42,710 --> 00:09:40,260 I get those notes and uh the the the the 257 00:09:44,690 --> 00:09:42,720 names and I said yeah okay Tim so I gave 258 00:09:46,970 --> 00:09:44,700 them I gave him the names and then about 259 00:09:48,769 --> 00:09:46,980 a month later I get a I email from Hal 260 00:09:50,329 --> 00:09:48,779 putoff and you almost never hear from 261 00:09:52,910 --> 00:09:50,339 Hell put off I got an email and he says 262 00:09:54,829 --> 00:09:52,920 oh I understand you've got a list of 263 00:09:56,509 --> 00:09:54,839 names from a group that I was rumored to 264 00:09:58,430 --> 00:09:56,519 be a part of and I said well yeah I do 265 00:10:00,590 --> 00:09:58,440 and he said well can you release can you 266 00:10:01,970 --> 00:10:00,600 give me the names so I gave them all the 267 00:10:03,290 --> 00:10:01,980 names except for Oak Shannon I didn't 268 00:10:05,269 --> 00:10:03,300 put oksh and his name on there because I 269 00:10:07,730 --> 00:10:05,279 didn't want to release what I how I knew 270 00:10:10,430 --> 00:10:07,740 this and I never heard from Hal back 271 00:10:11,930 --> 00:10:10,440 again but it would then that's when I 272 00:10:13,310 --> 00:10:11,940 identified that it was called the 273 00:10:14,750 --> 00:10:13,320 advanced physics theoretical working 274 00:10:16,070 --> 00:10:14,760 group and that's when John Alexander 275 00:10:17,509 --> 00:10:16,080 started saying oh it's called the 276 00:10:19,009 --> 00:10:17,519 advanced physics theoretical work you're 277 00:10:20,990 --> 00:10:19,019 being admitted that it was actually real 278 00:10:23,329 --> 00:10:21,000 and then he said but nobody took notes 279 00:10:25,250 --> 00:10:23,339 and then I said I immediately responded 280 00:10:27,350 --> 00:10:25,260 and said I've got notes and then he said 281 00:10:29,870 --> 00:10:27,360 well nobody's supposed to take notes so 282 00:10:32,269 --> 00:10:29,880 so I had these notes and I held them for 283 00:10:35,750 --> 00:10:32,279 20 years and then I released them and 284 00:10:37,250 --> 00:10:35,760 the most important thing in there is 285 00:10:39,530 --> 00:10:37,260 um if you look at the and you probably 286 00:10:41,090 --> 00:10:39,540 nobody will realize this and I didn't 287 00:10:43,550 --> 00:10:41,100 realize Melinda Leslie picked this up 288 00:10:46,130 --> 00:10:43,560 and she had the oak Shannon notes or the 289 00:10:48,710 --> 00:10:46,140 the Jack Hulk notes and he was he was a 290 00:10:50,810 --> 00:10:48,720 member of um uh Boeing or McDonald 291 00:10:53,150 --> 00:10:50,820 Douglas at the time and he was he was in 292 00:10:54,889 --> 00:10:53,160 there and what John had done is he had 293 00:10:57,410 --> 00:10:54,899 tried to gather 20 people with top 294 00:10:59,210 --> 00:10:57,420 secret SCI clearances to try to figure 295 00:11:01,130 --> 00:10:59,220 out they were trying to get funding they 296 00:11:02,810 --> 00:11:01,140 were doing exactly what atip did we want 297 00:11:04,490 --> 00:11:02,820 to get this funding what elizondo's 298 00:11:07,550 --> 00:11:04,500 doing now we get these people and we put 299 00:11:09,350 --> 00:11:07,560 pressure and uh we we make our case and 300 00:11:10,910 --> 00:11:09,360 then we get this money to investigate 301 00:11:12,590 --> 00:11:10,920 UFOs that's what they're doing back 302 00:11:14,269 --> 00:11:12,600 there and it all fell apart because they 303 00:11:16,790 --> 00:11:14,279 couldn't get anything and they basically 304 00:11:18,350 --> 00:11:16,800 say in in the ocean notes like they're 305 00:11:20,090 --> 00:11:18,360 not getting anywhere like there's this 306 00:11:21,889 --> 00:11:20,100 conversation at the end where where the 307 00:11:23,389 --> 00:11:21,899 one guy says we didn't believe that uh 308 00:11:25,130 --> 00:11:23,399 there's a group there that's collecting 309 00:11:26,569 --> 00:11:25,140 this stuff and we don't have access and 310 00:11:28,250 --> 00:11:26,579 then somebody else said on the panel 311 00:11:30,530 --> 00:11:28,260 said yeah I guess I would have about sum 312 00:11:32,329 --> 00:11:30,540 it up and and so it was this this idea 313 00:11:34,190 --> 00:11:32,339 that that they they had tried this thing 314 00:11:36,410 --> 00:11:34,200 and they had this all these high level 315 00:11:37,550 --> 00:11:36,420 guys with topsy just had clearances and 316 00:11:38,870 --> 00:11:37,560 they were sharing stories it was like 317 00:11:40,250 --> 00:11:38,880 the Avery they were all sharing stories 318 00:11:43,130 --> 00:11:40,260 trying to trying to get to the bottom of 319 00:11:44,990 --> 00:11:43,140 this thing but in the notes 320 00:11:46,910 --> 00:11:45,000 um at the bottom of the oak Shannon 321 00:11:51,290 --> 00:11:46,920 notes and one page and Melinda picked 322 00:11:55,310 --> 00:11:51,300 this up it says the ATP 10 and it's 10 323 00:11:57,170 --> 00:11:55,320 t-e-n apt-10 and and so we're doing the 324 00:11:59,630 --> 00:11:57,180 one with Melinda Leslie Melinda says hey 325 00:12:01,610 --> 00:11:59,640 hey that's that's uh that's in the uh 326 00:12:03,590 --> 00:12:01,620 that's in the Wilson leak document and 327 00:12:05,150 --> 00:12:03,600 it's good it is it is and she said yeah 328 00:12:07,790 --> 00:12:05,160 it's in there and then somebody screen 329 00:12:10,670 --> 00:12:07,800 shared it and showed it and in the in 330 00:12:12,370 --> 00:12:10,680 the um the Wilson leak document on the 331 00:12:17,509 --> 00:12:12,380 first page you'll see 332 00:12:19,970 --> 00:12:17,519 apt AP 10 and that means Advanced 333 00:12:23,090 --> 00:12:19,980 physics 10 and in the oak Shannon notes 334 00:12:25,610 --> 00:12:23,100 it's ATP 10 Advanced theoretical physics 335 00:12:27,470 --> 00:12:25,620 but it's the same thing so then the name 336 00:12:29,329 --> 00:12:27,480 was not Advanced physics theoretical 337 00:12:32,389 --> 00:12:29,339 working group or Advanced theoretical 338 00:12:34,310 --> 00:12:32,399 physics conference it was the apt-10 339 00:12:37,250 --> 00:12:34,320 that was the code name for the thing and 340 00:12:39,350 --> 00:12:37,260 when I saw that I went holy cow and what 341 00:12:41,269 --> 00:12:39,360 it says on there is the phone call 342 00:12:43,550 --> 00:12:41,279 people don't realize this so everybody 343 00:12:46,310 --> 00:12:43,560 knows that Oak Shannon talked to the 344 00:12:47,930 --> 00:12:46,320 Admiral and and vouched for Eric Davis 345 00:12:49,430 --> 00:12:47,940 and said Eric Davis a good guy you can 346 00:12:51,829 --> 00:12:49,440 talk to him but most people really 347 00:12:54,170 --> 00:12:51,839 forget the fact that the phone call took 348 00:12:56,210 --> 00:12:54,180 place three years before the actual 349 00:12:58,310 --> 00:12:56,220 meeting with Eric Davis so why is 350 00:13:01,490 --> 00:12:58,320 there's this big gap in between the two 351 00:13:03,590 --> 00:13:01,500 and the thing was that that so Oak had 352 00:13:04,850 --> 00:13:03,600 phoned the the Admiral he's maybe 353 00:13:06,769 --> 00:13:04,860 telling the story the other around it 354 00:13:09,350 --> 00:13:06,779 looked like he phoned the Admiral and he 355 00:13:10,970 --> 00:13:09,360 said oh I want you to talk to Eric Davis 356 00:13:12,590 --> 00:13:10,980 because what happened is the same thing 357 00:13:13,970 --> 00:13:12,600 when they came to me when nids came to 358 00:13:15,230 --> 00:13:13,980 me said we'd like to know about the 359 00:13:17,750 --> 00:13:15,240 Canadian propulsion they were doing in 360 00:13:20,990 --> 00:13:17,760 1950s we'd know like to know about the 361 00:13:23,269 --> 00:13:21,000 uh the uh the whole thing with the uh 362 00:13:25,370 --> 00:13:23,279 Holman Air Force Base film they had gone 363 00:13:27,710 --> 00:13:25,380 to Oak Shannon and said oh you know the 364 00:13:30,170 --> 00:13:27,720 Admiral there was this story in 1997 the 365 00:13:31,730 --> 00:13:30,180 Admiral was briefed and he believed that 366 00:13:34,009 --> 00:13:31,740 he got to the program and they got cut 367 00:13:37,430 --> 00:13:34,019 off can you set up an interview with the 368 00:13:39,769 --> 00:13:37,440 Admiral so will so Shannon phones the 369 00:13:41,090 --> 00:13:39,779 Admiral and says oh can you talk to my 370 00:13:42,350 --> 00:13:41,100 friend Eric Davis because they're trying 371 00:13:45,290 --> 00:13:42,360 to put the story together they're trying 372 00:13:47,389 --> 00:13:45,300 to confirm this 1997 story where Greer 373 00:13:48,889 --> 00:13:47,399 and and Mitchell and all these guys go 374 00:13:50,030 --> 00:13:48,899 in and this briefing takes place they're 375 00:13:52,069 --> 00:13:50,040 trying to they're trying to get more 376 00:13:52,910 --> 00:13:52,079 details on the story same as their needs 377 00:13:54,949 --> 00:13:52,920 was trying to do that and everything 378 00:13:56,389 --> 00:13:54,959 black triangles and Cattlemen relations 379 00:13:58,550 --> 00:13:56,399 they had all this money and these high 380 00:14:00,410 --> 00:13:58,560 level guys were being paid to try to 381 00:14:01,850 --> 00:14:00,420 figure this thing out and so the thing 382 00:14:03,829 --> 00:14:01,860 was the phone call took place three 383 00:14:07,190 --> 00:14:03,839 years before and now if you read the 384 00:14:10,370 --> 00:14:07,200 first page Wilson said he said I 385 00:14:11,810 --> 00:14:10,380 couldn't do it he said I was too busy he 386 00:14:13,850 --> 00:14:11,820 said the time wasn't right so if you 387 00:14:15,769 --> 00:14:13,860 take a look what happened he was waiting 388 00:14:17,930 --> 00:14:15,779 to become the director of the defense 389 00:14:20,150 --> 00:14:17,940 intelligence agency and what happened 390 00:14:22,910 --> 00:14:20,160 was that was the three years between the 391 00:14:25,790 --> 00:14:22,920 phone call so what happens is he in the 392 00:14:27,710 --> 00:14:25,800 three years goes then he retires and 393 00:14:30,290 --> 00:14:27,720 that's when he phones up he tries to get 394 00:14:32,329 --> 00:14:30,300 back a hold of Shannon to get a hold of 395 00:14:34,009 --> 00:14:32,339 uh Eric Davis and you see the the 396 00:14:34,850 --> 00:14:34,019 conversation takes place he couldn't get 397 00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:34,860 a hold of him he couldn't he would 398 00:14:38,509 --> 00:14:36,720 answering the phone and stuff like that 399 00:14:40,850 --> 00:14:38,519 and that's what happens he now he's 400 00:14:42,290 --> 00:14:40,860 retired he's from DIA they can't demote 401 00:14:44,030 --> 00:14:42,300 him anymore they can't take any stars 402 00:14:46,069 --> 00:14:44,040 away that's when he sets up the meeting 403 00:14:48,410 --> 00:14:46,079 with Eric Davis he says okay I'm now 404 00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:48,420 ready to talk to Eric Davis and then 405 00:14:51,470 --> 00:14:49,920 there's this Arrangement made with these 406 00:14:52,850 --> 00:14:51,480 these guys and they set him up with Eric 407 00:14:55,069 --> 00:14:52,860 Davis so that's what people don't 408 00:14:58,610 --> 00:14:55,079 realize and the phone call between the 409 00:15:00,829 --> 00:14:58,620 first phone call in 1999 when when 410 00:15:01,970 --> 00:15:00,839 um uh Shannon had the heart attack and 411 00:15:03,110 --> 00:15:01,980 he said I couldn't move around but I 412 00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:03,120 could sit in bed and I could make a 413 00:15:06,590 --> 00:15:04,800 phone call the phone call was two hours 414 00:15:09,110 --> 00:15:06,600 long and if you look at the first page 415 00:15:11,530 --> 00:15:09,120 of the Wilson League document it says 416 00:15:15,230 --> 00:15:11,540 that Oak Shannon briefed them on 417 00:15:17,329 --> 00:15:15,240 apt-10 or AP 10. he briefed them on 418 00:15:19,490 --> 00:15:17,339 these meetings that took place in 1985 419 00:15:20,629 --> 00:15:19,500 because Wilson was saying oh I tried to 420 00:15:22,370 --> 00:15:20,639 get that at the bottom of this program 421 00:15:24,410 --> 00:15:22,380 and I got cut off and they told me to 422 00:15:27,470 --> 00:15:24,420 get lost and hung up the phone on me and 423 00:15:31,129 --> 00:15:27,480 then he said hey I was part of a group 424 00:15:33,170 --> 00:15:31,139 in 1985 and we will try to work on this 425 00:15:34,790 --> 00:15:33,180 thing and the door was shut on us too we 426 00:15:36,530 --> 00:15:34,800 couldn't get any and so the phone calls 427 00:15:38,030 --> 00:15:36,540 was two hours long and he talks about 428 00:15:40,250 --> 00:15:38,040 talking for 10 minutes about remote 429 00:15:42,110 --> 00:15:40,260 viewing which was in the Wilson leak 430 00:15:45,290 --> 00:15:42,120 document and that's important because 431 00:15:48,290 --> 00:15:45,300 the the uh remote viewing there was a 432 00:15:49,550 --> 00:15:48,300 briefing that was done in the if you 433 00:15:51,050 --> 00:15:49,560 would the Shannon notes show that 434 00:15:54,050 --> 00:15:51,060 there's a briefing done by Hal put off 435 00:15:56,090 --> 00:15:54,060 on remote viewing 1985 remote viewing 436 00:15:58,129 --> 00:15:56,100 would not be known until 1995 it was 437 00:16:00,350 --> 00:15:58,139 Declassified with the CIA nobody knew 438 00:16:03,889 --> 00:16:00,360 what remote doing was in 1985. it wasn't 439 00:16:06,410 --> 00:16:03,899 until 1995. so he he tells he has this 440 00:16:08,090 --> 00:16:06,420 two-hour phone call with the Admiral and 441 00:16:09,829 --> 00:16:08,100 he tells him this whole thing oh we had 442 00:16:11,030 --> 00:16:09,839 this and John Alexander and all these 443 00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:11,040 guys were there we had this meeting and 444 00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:12,480 this skiff and we couldn't get to the 445 00:16:15,470 --> 00:16:13,680 bottom we were trying to figure it out 446 00:16:17,569 --> 00:16:15,480 nobody knew it and he's basically 447 00:16:18,590 --> 00:16:17,579 backing up the Admiral story that we 448 00:16:19,790 --> 00:16:18,600 tried to get to the bottom of this thing 449 00:16:21,170 --> 00:16:19,800 too and we couldn't get to the bottom of 450 00:16:23,389 --> 00:16:21,180 this thing and the phone call was two 451 00:16:25,189 --> 00:16:23,399 hours long so he's briefing the Admiral 452 00:16:28,430 --> 00:16:25,199 so the Admiral got a two-hour briefing 453 00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:28,440 on the a the this this Advanced physics 454 00:16:32,150 --> 00:16:30,000 theoretical working groups top secret 455 00:16:34,730 --> 00:16:32,160 meeting that that took place in a in a 456 00:16:36,590 --> 00:16:34,740 skiff in Virginia so that's the most 457 00:16:37,970 --> 00:16:36,600 important part and people can read the 458 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:37,980 notes and there's all this stuff about 459 00:16:40,550 --> 00:16:39,120 the different subjects that they 460 00:16:43,009 --> 00:16:40,560 discussed and the big thing that they 461 00:16:45,230 --> 00:16:43,019 had and apparently there's I apparently 462 00:16:47,449 --> 00:16:45,240 there's an article coming but there is 463 00:16:49,249 --> 00:16:47,459 this this thing on the one page where 464 00:16:51,530 --> 00:16:49,259 they have back engineering and they have 465 00:16:53,210 --> 00:16:51,540 only one thing Bobby Ray Inman across 466 00:16:54,949 --> 00:16:53,220 the page and the whole thing was that 467 00:16:57,710 --> 00:16:54,959 we'd always known the Bobby or Inman was 468 00:16:59,990 --> 00:16:57,720 rumored to be the the the guy behind the 469 00:17:01,430 --> 00:17:00,000 the remote the the the uh back 470 00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:01,440 engineering and there's actually a 471 00:17:04,970 --> 00:17:03,360 document people are asking me and it 472 00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:04,980 will relate to this article that's about 473 00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:06,480 to drop but they're looking for a 474 00:17:10,850 --> 00:17:08,640 document from me from Senator Barry 475 00:17:12,289 --> 00:17:10,860 Goldwater receiving Greer was telling 476 00:17:15,230 --> 00:17:12,299 the story that he had gone to Senator 477 00:17:16,669 --> 00:17:15,240 Barry Goldwater and Barry Goldwater says 478 00:17:18,289 --> 00:17:16,679 well you know what this is all this top 479 00:17:20,210 --> 00:17:18,299 secret he says well Stephen who's 480 00:17:22,069 --> 00:17:20,220 running this thing and he said Bobby Ray 481 00:17:24,409 --> 00:17:22,079 Inman and he said really popular inman's 482 00:17:26,630 --> 00:17:24,419 running this thing he's my friend he's 483 00:17:28,250 --> 00:17:26,640 off phone him up and I got this document 484 00:17:30,350 --> 00:17:28,260 which I've now provided to some people 485 00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:30,360 who are writing an article where it 486 00:17:34,610 --> 00:17:32,640 confirms that Goldwater actually did 487 00:17:37,070 --> 00:17:34,620 talk to Bobby reinman wow and so you get 488 00:17:38,810 --> 00:17:37,080 the this whole story and see there's all 489 00:17:39,890 --> 00:17:38,820 these back channels but it always comes 490 00:17:42,049 --> 00:17:39,900 down to the thing that there's these 491 00:17:43,250 --> 00:17:42,059 people in the background who know more 492 00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:43,260 than you and I and I always talks about 493 00:17:47,210 --> 00:17:45,120 the Avery whether it's John Alexander or 494 00:17:49,549 --> 00:17:47,220 kit green or all these Nolan or stuff 495 00:17:51,169 --> 00:17:49,559 like I said you may agree or disagree 496 00:17:52,850 --> 00:17:51,179 with these guys whether it's Alexandra 497 00:17:55,130 --> 00:17:52,860 it doesn't matter you may agree or 498 00:17:58,130 --> 00:17:55,140 disagree but listen very carefully write 499 00:17:59,390 --> 00:17:58,140 everything they say down and cross-index 500 00:18:00,830 --> 00:17:59,400 these things and what you're going to 501 00:18:02,330 --> 00:18:00,840 realize is they're they're all working 502 00:18:03,830 --> 00:18:02,340 for the same thing as you and I they're 503 00:18:05,570 --> 00:18:03,840 all working on the levels and why they 504 00:18:07,789 --> 00:18:05,580 stopped talking to me was the whole 505 00:18:09,890 --> 00:18:07,799 thing was one guy was approached one of 506 00:18:11,330 --> 00:18:09,900 the very senior guys was approached and 507 00:18:13,610 --> 00:18:11,340 and he was asked this question you may 508 00:18:14,990 --> 00:18:13,620 have heard this story I said um could 509 00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:15,000 you name the 12 guys that are running 510 00:18:18,830 --> 00:18:16,980 the show and he said yeah I could 511 00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:18,840 probably do that and so the researcher 512 00:18:24,049 --> 00:18:21,360 said well so why don't you why don't you 513 00:18:25,310 --> 00:18:24,059 do it and they said well he said if I 514 00:18:27,770 --> 00:18:25,320 did it then you'd go to the New York 515 00:18:30,289 --> 00:18:27,780 Times they'd publish a story I would 516 00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:30,299 have to deny it and then nobody would 517 00:18:33,289 --> 00:18:31,919 ever talk to me again and that's the 518 00:18:35,210 --> 00:18:33,299 whole thing so whether it's Eric Davis 519 00:18:36,890 --> 00:18:35,220 or whether it's hell put off for kid 520 00:18:38,810 --> 00:18:36,900 green or whatever they're all trying to 521 00:18:40,430 --> 00:18:38,820 figure it out as well so if they tell 522 00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:40,440 you and you leak and that's what 523 00:18:45,409 --> 00:18:42,960 happened to me if you leak it then they 524 00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:45,419 get sick like like now Eric Davis is a 525 00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:47,039 big mouth man Eric Davis had this 526 00:18:50,450 --> 00:18:49,200 document he didn't you know he he talked 527 00:18:52,549 --> 00:18:50,460 and he didn't keep this document 528 00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:52,559 restricted he gave one a copy that to 529 00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:54,240 Edgar Mitchell leaked out and stuff like 530 00:18:59,090 --> 00:18:56,640 that and then it was called to me Eric 531 00:19:01,070 --> 00:18:59,100 Davis told me it was called intelligence 532 00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:01,080 blowback so when something like this 533 00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:03,120 happens you sit there and you sit there 534 00:19:06,110 --> 00:19:04,799 and wait is there going to be an Intel 535 00:19:07,310 --> 00:19:06,120 is there going to be a blowback are you 536 00:19:09,230 --> 00:19:07,320 going to lose your job are you going to 537 00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:09,240 lose security clearance and they wait to 538 00:19:14,090 --> 00:19:11,280 see what happens after the leak because 539 00:19:15,529 --> 00:19:14,100 if if you're seen as a leaker then 540 00:19:16,490 --> 00:19:15,539 nobody above you will talk to you and 541 00:19:18,110 --> 00:19:16,500 that's how they're getting it they're 542 00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:18,120 trying to move up the chain and try to 543 00:19:21,049 --> 00:19:19,919 talk to a senior person they can because 544 00:19:22,370 --> 00:19:21,059 they're trying to figure it out the same 545 00:19:23,390 --> 00:19:22,380 as you and I you're trying to get a good 546 00:19:24,529 --> 00:19:23,400 source you're trying to interview 547 00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:24,539 somebody who might know something 548 00:19:27,710 --> 00:19:26,400 they're trying to interview people who 549 00:19:29,570 --> 00:19:27,720 know something and they're keeping it 550 00:19:31,549 --> 00:19:29,580 all secret but then you get this idea 551 00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:31,559 where where unless they Kane knew about 552 00:19:36,590 --> 00:19:33,360 this like 10 years before it was 553 00:19:37,850 --> 00:19:36,600 actually dropped and and Jack ballet and 554 00:19:39,409 --> 00:19:37,860 they kept it to themselves they never 555 00:19:41,330 --> 00:19:39,419 released the thing so we're all sitting 556 00:19:43,070 --> 00:19:41,340 there scrambling around in the dark and 557 00:19:44,990 --> 00:19:43,080 my thing is whether it's right or wrong 558 00:19:46,909 --> 00:19:45,000 is the minute you get it you put it out 559 00:19:48,169 --> 00:19:46,919 I mean you just drop the thing and I 560 00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:48,179 don't really care if people think I 561 00:19:51,230 --> 00:19:49,679 can't keep a secret I there's no point 562 00:19:52,970 --> 00:19:51,240 to keep being a secret it doesn't make 563 00:19:54,590 --> 00:19:52,980 any sense it's crazy we're doing this 564 00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:54,600 we're sort of shooting ourselves in the 565 00:19:57,230 --> 00:19:55,919 head 566 00:19:59,210 --> 00:19:57,240 so I guess the main thing with the 567 00:20:00,590 --> 00:19:59,220 Wilson is Davis notes is that they were 568 00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:00,600 looking for the cross retrieval program 569 00:20:05,930 --> 00:20:03,120 where it was who was running it do we 570 00:20:07,310 --> 00:20:05,940 know anything about that program or have 571 00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:07,320 we learned anything about any of the 572 00:20:12,049 --> 00:20:09,840 crash retrieval programs that may exist 573 00:20:13,490 --> 00:20:12,059 well that's the thing that's when you 574 00:20:15,529 --> 00:20:13,500 get into the rumor thing and that's when 575 00:20:17,330 --> 00:20:15,539 you listen to Eric Davis and on one one 576 00:20:19,250 --> 00:20:17,340 interview Eric Davis I think he was 577 00:20:21,169 --> 00:20:19,260 being interviewed by George Knapp where 578 00:20:23,150 --> 00:20:21,179 he was putting down Bob Lazar and he 579 00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:23,160 said that babazar he said this is that's 580 00:20:27,710 --> 00:20:25,919 nonsense he said the the 581 00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:27,720 um they shut down the removing program 582 00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:30,960 in 1989 and the stuff the material isn't 583 00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:32,880 even started right at 584 00:20:37,130 --> 00:20:35,039 um at Area 51 and then that's when 585 00:20:39,010 --> 00:20:37,140 George Knapp said I think we just got to 586 00:20:42,110 --> 00:20:39,020 lead to tomorrow's story 587 00:20:43,549 --> 00:20:42,120 I don't think he intended to say that it 588 00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,559 indicated that he knew where the crash 589 00:20:46,789 --> 00:20:45,360 retrieval stuff was but when he made 590 00:20:49,010 --> 00:20:46,799 this statement that they had shut the 591 00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:49,020 program down in 1989 because they 592 00:20:53,630 --> 00:20:51,120 couldn't get anywhere that lines up with 593 00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:53,640 the core story The Core story is this 594 00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:55,440 core story where Jacques ballet helped 595 00:21:00,770 --> 00:20:58,080 put off and and uh and who's the other 596 00:21:02,150 --> 00:21:00,780 one Jacques valet get together and they 597 00:21:03,289 --> 00:21:02,160 sit in a Denny's restaurant they say 598 00:21:05,690 --> 00:21:03,299 there's all this garbage going around 599 00:21:07,370 --> 00:21:05,700 the UFO Community this is the 1980s and 600 00:21:08,990 --> 00:21:07,380 we don't you know we how do you separate 601 00:21:10,430 --> 00:21:09,000 the wheat from the chaff what do we know 602 00:21:12,049 --> 00:21:10,440 for sure and they came up with the 603 00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:12,059 conclusion we know that we're being 604 00:21:15,289 --> 00:21:13,740 visited by something we know that we 605 00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:15,299 have hardware and we're not being able 606 00:21:18,770 --> 00:21:16,799 to back engineer it and that's where the 607 00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:18,780 idea of Consciousness comes in so in the 608 00:21:21,470 --> 00:21:20,220 Wilson League document at the very end 609 00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:21,480 there's two things that people dispute 610 00:21:25,070 --> 00:21:23,760 that I I like to talk about and the one 611 00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:25,080 I'll leave the one that says no 612 00:21:28,190 --> 00:21:26,880 abduction so you get Edgar Mitchell said 613 00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:28,200 there's no abductions kid green said 614 00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:29,760 there's no abductions John Alexander 615 00:21:32,930 --> 00:21:31,440 said no abduction Jack Malay so no 616 00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,940 abductions they're all saying the same 617 00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:34,320 thing and it's in this document people 618 00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,520 say well that's just countering 619 00:21:38,750 --> 00:21:37,200 counterintelligence they're lying to 620 00:21:40,669 --> 00:21:38,760 Wilson and stuff like that but the other 621 00:21:42,350 --> 00:21:40,679 one was the thing that rang to me 622 00:21:46,010 --> 00:21:42,360 because I've heard this before is they 623 00:21:48,590 --> 00:21:46,020 said we have we have a craft intact and 624 00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:48,600 we think we think we it'll fly and when 625 00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,520 I heard that I go oh I know what that is 626 00:21:54,830 --> 00:21:52,799 they've got to craft and they can't get 627 00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:54,840 it to fly they can't turn it on because 628 00:21:58,850 --> 00:21:57,120 I've just released a book called UFO Sky 629 00:22:00,890 --> 00:21:58,860 palettes and when I had the first 630 00:22:01,970 --> 00:22:00,900 meeting all these people came to me you 631 00:22:04,250 --> 00:22:01,980 cannot find this stuff on the internet 632 00:22:06,110 --> 00:22:04,260 and and that's the thing is all these 36 633 00:22:07,850 --> 00:22:06,120 people are more than that came to me and 634 00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:07,860 started telling me this story about the 635 00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:09,120 fact that they'd flown the craft which 636 00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,559 makes no sense why would the aliens let 637 00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:12,000 you fly the Flying Saucer it just makes 638 00:22:15,289 --> 00:22:13,919 no sense whatsoever and and then when I 639 00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,299 asked the first woman that told me she 640 00:22:19,010 --> 00:22:17,520 was in her 70s they let you fly the 641 00:22:20,570 --> 00:22:19,020 craft I'm thinking in the back of my 642 00:22:22,250 --> 00:22:20,580 head like I'm thinking of Saudi Arabian 643 00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:22,260 women they can't drive a car unless 644 00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:23,760 there's a male in the car and I'm going 645 00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:25,919 and they don't let you fly the car I met 646 00:22:30,590 --> 00:22:28,080 a 70 year old lady so I've thrown flown 647 00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,600 three different models I said really so 648 00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:32,159 how do you flatcraft he says oh you do 649 00:22:36,350 --> 00:22:33,960 it with your mind and as soon as I heard 650 00:22:38,210 --> 00:22:36,360 that I knew what why they had set me up 651 00:22:40,190 --> 00:22:38,220 to talk to this woman and that's this 652 00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,200 whole thing is they've got an intact 653 00:22:44,270 --> 00:22:42,720 craft and they think it will fly but 654 00:22:45,770 --> 00:22:44,280 they can't fly it because it needs a 655 00:22:47,450 --> 00:22:45,780 Consciousness interface the same as on 656 00:22:49,010 --> 00:22:47,460 your cell phone you can use your your 657 00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:49,020 face print or your fingerprint or 658 00:22:52,490 --> 00:22:50,640 whatever you need something to turn it 659 00:22:54,649 --> 00:22:52,500 on and they can't turn it on they've got 660 00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,659 an intact craft and that comes to this 661 00:22:58,970 --> 00:22:56,640 idea of Consciousness is is that this 662 00:23:01,130 --> 00:22:58,980 idea that that Consciousness is a big 663 00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:01,140 part of this thing that that people will 664 00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,120 describe they go on board the ship they 665 00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:05,520 put their hand on a panel Chris Bledsoe 666 00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:06,840 put his hand on what he called like a 667 00:23:10,010 --> 00:23:08,460 beehive in the middle of the thing or 668 00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,020 you put your head on a panel one guy 669 00:23:13,130 --> 00:23:12,000 over Liverpool England told me there's a 670 00:23:15,230 --> 00:23:13,140 panel on the wall he put his hand 671 00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:15,240 against you become one with the craft 672 00:23:20,330 --> 00:23:18,240 the craft is alive the craft is AI it's 673 00:23:22,490 --> 00:23:20,340 it's actually alive it's biological 674 00:23:24,289 --> 00:23:22,500 material it's alive you put your hand on 675 00:23:26,090 --> 00:23:24,299 you become one with a crowd and whatever 676 00:23:28,430 --> 00:23:26,100 you think is what the craft does and 677 00:23:31,250 --> 00:23:28,440 then the beings will tell you go within 678 00:23:32,750 --> 00:23:31,260 yourself imagine where you want to go 679 00:23:34,370 --> 00:23:32,760 and the one guy said they asked him 680 00:23:36,049 --> 00:23:34,380 where would you like to go and he said 681 00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,059 I'd like to see the Milky Way from a 682 00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:38,400 distance and they said okay imagine 683 00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,500 where you want it it's it's in it's 684 00:23:45,049 --> 00:23:42,720 within you and this is this whole idea 685 00:23:48,350 --> 00:23:45,059 is there time and space or is it all in 686 00:23:51,409 --> 00:23:48,360 itself inside us is it all a a video 687 00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,419 game is it all you know a hologram a 688 00:23:55,070 --> 00:23:53,520 hologram and we're in this hologram and 689 00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:55,080 there is nothing out there as John 690 00:23:58,850 --> 00:23:57,780 Wheeler said the physicists do is the 691 00:24:08,149 --> 00:23:58,860 the 692 00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,159 it's within you just imagine where you 693 00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:10,080 want to go and he said one second later 694 00:24:13,130 --> 00:24:11,460 he looked out the window and there was 695 00:24:15,230 --> 00:24:13,140 the Milky Way off in a distance which 696 00:24:17,630 --> 00:24:15,240 was 50 to 70 000 light years in one 697 00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:17,640 second and that's why I say if you get 698 00:24:20,510 --> 00:24:19,320 that then you got to start believing the 699 00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:20,520 Consciousness story that these people 700 00:24:25,010 --> 00:24:22,799 are telling or you got to Discount the 701 00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,020 whole time space Theory because if that 702 00:24:28,570 --> 00:24:27,360 story is true and I've got 36 people not 703 00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:28,580 one 704 00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:35,760 anecdote two cases is evidence and 36 705 00:24:39,649 --> 00:24:37,320 cases to me is something you need to 706 00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:39,659 investigate 14 if you're familiar with 707 00:24:43,610 --> 00:24:41,640 the free survey they did 3 000 708 00:24:45,289 --> 00:24:43,620 experiences of the people who answered 709 00:24:46,909 --> 00:24:45,299 the question 14 of the people said 710 00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,919 they've flown the craft so you start 711 00:24:49,970 --> 00:24:48,480 looking at this whole idea and they'll 712 00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:49,980 all say the same thing it's like they 713 00:24:54,169 --> 00:24:51,900 read off a cue card you say I even said 714 00:24:56,690 --> 00:24:54,179 to the guy the guy who's the U.S Air 715 00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,700 Force retired Colonel and they I was he 716 00:24:59,930 --> 00:24:58,080 didn't come to the lecture this was in 717 00:25:01,730 --> 00:24:59,940 Orange County California he didn't come 718 00:25:03,770 --> 00:25:01,740 to the lecture and so we were at the 719 00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:03,780 restaurant after and then this David guy 720 00:25:06,529 --> 00:25:05,580 walks in and said David David oh he 721 00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:06,539 should have been a grand structure he 722 00:25:09,649 --> 00:25:07,559 was talking about flying the craft tell 723 00:25:11,149 --> 00:25:09,659 him your story and then he said David 724 00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:11,159 looks at I said you flew the craft he 725 00:25:15,470 --> 00:25:13,620 said I think it was a dream and I said 726 00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:15,480 everybody thinks it's a dream did you 727 00:25:18,409 --> 00:25:17,039 have the did you have that thing of a 728 00:25:19,549 --> 00:25:18,419 flying car yeah but I think it was a 729 00:25:20,990 --> 00:25:19,559 dream and I said well everybody thinks 730 00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:21,000 it's a dream and then they said David 731 00:25:24,830 --> 00:25:23,039 David tell them tell them which you're a 732 00:25:26,570 --> 00:25:24,840 pilot I said you're a pilot I said my 733 00:25:28,730 --> 00:25:26,580 father's a pilot my son's a pilot I said 734 00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,740 what have you flown and he said f4s and 735 00:25:34,010 --> 00:25:31,200 he said F-16 that way f-16s he flew 736 00:25:35,930 --> 00:25:34,020 x-16s and he said yeah yeah and I said 737 00:25:38,570 --> 00:25:35,940 well what and he said well I mean U.S 738 00:25:40,669 --> 00:25:38,580 ever I'm a retired Colonel I flew in in 739 00:25:42,830 --> 00:25:40,679 Iraq and I go sit down tell me your 740 00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,840 dream and then it's the same thing it's 741 00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:45,120 like they come into the ship the beings 742 00:25:47,870 --> 00:25:46,679 are behind the beings are they're humans 743 00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:47,880 they don't for humans are beings 744 00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:49,559 everybody describes these beings are 745 00:25:53,450 --> 00:25:51,000 behind them and they say go ahead and do 746 00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,460 it and he and this David guy says I 747 00:25:57,649 --> 00:25:55,679 didn't know what to do and then they all 748 00:25:59,210 --> 00:25:57,659 they say the same line they say you know 749 00:26:01,549 --> 00:25:59,220 what to do just do it and then there's 750 00:26:03,049 --> 00:26:01,559 this panel on the on the uh apparently 751 00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:03,059 he goes puts his hands on the panel and 752 00:26:06,110 --> 00:26:04,260 he said suddenly it's like flying in 753 00:26:08,029 --> 00:26:06,120 F-16 he's flying the craft and he's 754 00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:08,039 going wow this is a and everything he 755 00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:09,840 thinks is what the craft is doing and he 756 00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:12,480 takes his one hand off the panel to uh 757 00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:13,919 he thinks it's going to stall he's gonna 758 00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:15,480 put his hand back down on the Belt takes 759 00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:16,980 his hand off and he's still flying the 760 00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:18,120 craft and he's whatever he's thinking 761 00:26:21,169 --> 00:26:19,679 the crafts is going and then he takes 762 00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:21,179 his other hand but he leaves it like an 763 00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:22,799 inch off and he's going to slam it down 764 00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:24,600 because he Figures it's gonna stall and 765 00:26:27,649 --> 00:26:25,980 nothing happens he's got his hands off 766 00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,659 the panel and he's flying the craft and 767 00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:29,760 it's just in his mind and everybody is 768 00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,380 like to read off a cue card when you get 769 00:26:35,149 --> 00:26:33,360 everybody telling the exactly the same 770 00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:35,159 story except for the the thing one's a 771 00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:37,020 ball one's a panel stuff like this but 772 00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:39,240 this idea that you you interact with the 773 00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:41,580 craft the craft is alive you become one 774 00:26:45,649 --> 00:26:43,080 and then you have to think of what you 775 00:26:46,669 --> 00:26:45,659 want and it's it's within you and that 776 00:26:48,529 --> 00:26:46,679 comes to this whole idea about 777 00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:48,539 experience are we going within ourselves 778 00:26:52,909 --> 00:26:50,820 or are we actually going out there as or 779 00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:52,919 as Stephen Greer used to say there's a 780 00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,500 puny exp there's a there's a Sufi 781 00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,080 expression you see yourself as a puny 782 00:27:03,169 --> 00:27:01,200 being when within you isn't folded the 783 00:27:05,450 --> 00:27:03,179 universe and this is this really wild 784 00:27:07,850 --> 00:27:05,460 idea when it as it gets more complex as 785 00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:07,860 you go on is it true that everything is 786 00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:09,240 actually in you so when you do a remote 787 00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,100 viewing you're not going anywhere you're 788 00:27:15,649 --> 00:27:13,679 going with in yourself it's all within 789 00:27:16,909 --> 00:27:15,659 you and you get the material that's why 790 00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,919 remote viewers you'll see 791 00:27:20,269 --> 00:27:18,480 instantaneously they're at the Target 792 00:27:22,370 --> 00:27:20,279 they say the number is six seven three 793 00:27:24,049 --> 00:27:22,380 seven four and then you go oh it's a 794 00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:24,059 desert I think this looks like a desert 795 00:27:27,049 --> 00:27:24,799 and they're at the Target 796 00:27:28,669 --> 00:27:27,059 instantaneously and that's this whole 797 00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:28,679 idea that it's going to be way more 798 00:27:34,010 --> 00:27:31,760 complex than it has this com this uh 799 00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:34,020 Consciousness component that when you 800 00:27:38,330 --> 00:27:36,779 read this book on Sky Pilots you can't 801 00:27:39,890 --> 00:27:38,340 deny it because everybody's telling the 802 00:27:41,330 --> 00:27:39,900 same story oh you use your mind and I 803 00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:41,340 thought when I first heard I thought 804 00:27:45,529 --> 00:27:43,380 this woman was absolutely insane and 805 00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:45,539 then it made sense exactly and then 806 00:27:50,090 --> 00:27:47,400 everybody's told me the same story since 807 00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,100 then and I've gotten I got 50 people but 808 00:27:54,529 --> 00:27:52,559 I got 36 on the record in the book that 809 00:27:56,570 --> 00:27:54,539 describe this whole story 810 00:27:58,130 --> 00:27:56,580 yeah it certainly begs the question when 811 00:27:59,450 --> 00:27:58,140 you get that many witnesses saying the 812 00:28:02,750 --> 00:27:59,460 same thing that it certainly warrants 813 00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,760 further investigation absolutely 814 00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:04,320 um now one thing I really wanted to talk 815 00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:05,520 to you about I've had conversation with 816 00:28:09,230 --> 00:28:07,320 quite a few friends about we mentioned 817 00:28:12,409 --> 00:28:09,240 it before we came on was orbs yeah 818 00:28:14,210 --> 00:28:12,419 because orbs seemed to be everywhere I 819 00:28:15,529 --> 00:28:14,220 hear Witnesses and and people talking 820 00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:15,539 about them all the time and there's 821 00:28:19,549 --> 00:28:17,700 different color orbs predominantly blue 822 00:28:21,769 --> 00:28:19,559 and orange seem to be the most I hear 823 00:28:23,690 --> 00:28:21,779 about uh orbs that look like they're 824 00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:23,700 made of plasma some that are a bit more 825 00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:27,059 solid different sizes some small and you 826 00:28:30,769 --> 00:28:28,559 know close to the ground sometimes even 827 00:28:33,710 --> 00:28:30,779 in people's houses some large and in the 828 00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:33,720 sky you know where do we start with orbs 829 00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,100 you know they've been around for a long 830 00:28:38,510 --> 00:28:37,200 time I'll I'll tell you what before you 831 00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,520 start I'm just going to go and open my 832 00:28:43,730 --> 00:28:40,799 window and I'll I'll let you start I can 833 00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,740 still hear you okay yeah it's for for me 834 00:28:47,210 --> 00:28:45,600 it starts way before and that's where I 835 00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,220 always point out to people you've got to 836 00:28:52,250 --> 00:28:49,919 keep in mind that 837 00:28:53,810 --> 00:28:52,260 um what happened today didn't happen in 838 00:28:55,010 --> 00:28:53,820 the 1970s when I started it was a 839 00:28:57,529 --> 00:28:55,020 completely different world every he 840 00:28:59,870 --> 00:28:57,539 thinks that it's the same world when we 841 00:29:02,330 --> 00:28:59,880 first saw uh what would now be called 842 00:29:04,370 --> 00:29:02,340 orbs we call them ground lights we 843 00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:04,380 didn't even know what what to call them 844 00:29:09,230 --> 00:29:07,080 uh the first year the the UFOs were 845 00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,240 flying around this town the big ones and 846 00:29:13,549 --> 00:29:11,039 then in the next year suddenly they were 847 00:29:15,049 --> 00:29:13,559 on the ground and they were these uh uh 848 00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,059 first I saw them they were oranges 849 00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:17,039 oranges they were completely orange I 850 00:29:20,990 --> 00:29:19,140 got within the first night I got within 851 00:29:22,370 --> 00:29:21,000 about 50 feet I was going to jump on 852 00:29:23,870 --> 00:29:22,380 this thing I was so close to it I was 853 00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:23,880 going to jump on it I was filming with 854 00:29:27,169 --> 00:29:25,980 an eight millimeter movie camera and 855 00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:27,179 then after that we couldn't really get 856 00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,860 close and we tried to surround it we 857 00:29:32,210 --> 00:29:30,240 tried all the stuff and we photographed 858 00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:32,220 it in infrared this is back in the 70s 859 00:29:36,529 --> 00:29:34,260 and I remember talking to the head of 860 00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:36,539 the Canadian government program the guy 861 00:29:40,490 --> 00:29:38,880 who ran the Metallurgy stuff for Wilbur 862 00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,500 Smith so Wilbur Smith around the 863 00:29:44,269 --> 00:29:42,000 Canadian government flying saucer 864 00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:44,279 program and this was his metal urges who 865 00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,980 worked for the Department of Defense and 866 00:29:50,930 --> 00:29:48,240 um he 867 00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:50,940 um we didn't want to talk to me uh 868 00:29:56,330 --> 00:29:54,240 Wilbur Smith had died his wife said art 869 00:29:58,610 --> 00:29:56,340 you need to talk to Grant and so I went 870 00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,620 there and he was he said I don't have 871 00:30:01,370 --> 00:29:59,760 any reason I'm talking to you is because 872 00:30:02,330 --> 00:30:01,380 Merle said I got to talk to you I said 873 00:30:04,909 --> 00:30:02,340 we've got these things on the ground 874 00:30:06,409 --> 00:30:04,919 over there in around Carmen I said he 875 00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:06,419 lived pretty close so they're on the 876 00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:07,440 ground there we don't know what these 877 00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,520 things are we're trying to surround them 878 00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,320 and stuff he said Oh you mean you mean 879 00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:12,960 monitors and I went oh yeah monitors I 880 00:30:16,370 --> 00:30:14,880 don't want to play like I was dumb so I 881 00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,380 played along with I go yeah monitors 882 00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:18,240 yeah you have monitors and he said oh 883 00:30:22,250 --> 00:30:20,880 yeah we had those back in the 1950s and 884 00:30:24,350 --> 00:30:22,260 they called the monitors because they 885 00:30:26,269 --> 00:30:24,360 were monitoring the UFO group and and 886 00:30:27,889 --> 00:30:26,279 Wilbur Smith there's actually one I 887 00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,899 think an audio where he actually talks 888 00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:29,039 about this where they come out of the 889 00:30:32,690 --> 00:30:30,840 out of the one of the UFO meetings and 890 00:30:34,370 --> 00:30:32,700 this thing's in the in the ditch and it 891 00:30:35,690 --> 00:30:34,380 it turns its laid off in the ditch it's 892 00:30:37,610 --> 00:30:35,700 there they could all see it that turns 893 00:30:39,649 --> 00:30:37,620 his light off so we saw them and they 894 00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,659 were like orbs and they and there's 895 00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:41,039 actually one now they've still got 896 00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,140 there's two of them and they're they're 897 00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:45,120 so they're different types so when they 898 00:30:49,370 --> 00:30:46,559 were back then they were these their 899 00:30:51,289 --> 00:30:49,380 objects maybe this big very intense and 900 00:30:53,570 --> 00:30:51,299 and what was called we called it Dead 901 00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:53,580 Light which you'll see descriptions in 902 00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:55,500 people inside the craft where they'll 903 00:31:00,049 --> 00:30:58,320 describe the light in a room the room is 904 00:31:02,210 --> 00:31:00,059 open to the next room but the light 905 00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,220 doesn't cast into the next room it's cut 906 00:31:06,169 --> 00:31:04,320 off like it's and that's what I noticed 907 00:31:08,510 --> 00:31:06,179 when I saw this when I was 50 feet away 908 00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:08,520 from it and I was looking at this thing 909 00:31:12,409 --> 00:31:10,679 and all I could think about was it was 910 00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:12,419 on the edge of this bridge this wooden 911 00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,919 bridge and there was the wooden railings 912 00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,360 down this bridge and it was this far 913 00:31:18,830 --> 00:31:17,039 from the edge of the bridge and I'm 914 00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:18,840 looking at this thing and I'm going 915 00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:20,340 why is it not lighting up the bridge 916 00:31:22,909 --> 00:31:21,600 because it was so bright you couldn't 917 00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:22,919 even look at it but doctors just 918 00:31:27,409 --> 00:31:25,440 tremendously very and it was just this 919 00:31:29,210 --> 00:31:27,419 faint orange glow on the side of the 920 00:31:30,529 --> 00:31:29,220 bridge I'm going why is it not lighting 921 00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,539 up the bridge it was like and so we 922 00:31:33,409 --> 00:31:32,159 called them dead lights and we could 923 00:31:34,909 --> 00:31:33,419 actually tell whether it was a car or 924 00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,919 whether it was one of these orbs by 925 00:31:38,330 --> 00:31:36,480 looking in binoculars and when you look 926 00:31:39,769 --> 00:31:38,340 at binoculars with car lights you'll 927 00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:39,779 actually see the beams coming off the 928 00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:41,340 car light yeah and then and then then 929 00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:42,720 all of a sudden we'd look at it and it'd 930 00:31:45,649 --> 00:31:44,039 be a dead light there'd be no beams 931 00:31:48,289 --> 00:31:45,659 coming off this thing so it was like a 932 00:31:50,930 --> 00:31:48,299 contained light so when I saw that and 933 00:31:52,909 --> 00:31:50,940 then in the the orbs really got taken 934 00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:52,919 off when when the digital cameras so 935 00:31:57,230 --> 00:31:54,120 that's when people said all your 936 00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:57,240 photographing uh you know uh dust and 937 00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,340 all this kind of stuff and the the fact 938 00:32:03,289 --> 00:32:01,200 of that is if you're photographing dust 939 00:32:05,570 --> 00:32:03,299 every photograph should have especially 940 00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,580 if you're live in Arizona or like the 941 00:32:09,230 --> 00:32:07,679 Sahara Desert or something every single 942 00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:09,240 photograph should have like piles of 943 00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:11,820 orbs in it and they and they don't and 944 00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,620 uh so that's when it started and 945 00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,880 everybody figured well it was this 946 00:32:18,289 --> 00:32:16,799 extended range of a digital camera it 947 00:32:20,510 --> 00:32:18,299 has a little bit on each end and these 948 00:32:24,049 --> 00:32:20,520 things are are in that Spectrum outside 949 00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:24,059 the visible range and so then uh it was 950 00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:25,679 it was okay it's all digital cameras 951 00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:27,000 doing this and we don't know what it is 952 00:32:30,769 --> 00:32:28,919 but it's it's the digital cameras doing 953 00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,779 it and then I I've just written an 954 00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:32,880 article that's on my White house UFO 955 00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:34,799 blog site where I actually show a 956 00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:35,880 photograph and we have a lot of 957 00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,620 photographs we started going back and 958 00:32:41,870 --> 00:32:39,360 looking and there are orb photographs 959 00:32:44,750 --> 00:32:41,880 exactly the same one for though I show 960 00:32:46,610 --> 00:32:44,760 one from 1976 from a wedding uh wedding 961 00:32:50,269 --> 00:32:46,620 couple there's a clear one of these 962 00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:50,279 clear you know uh White orbs on the on 963 00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:52,440 the guy's pants and so they did happen 964 00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:54,360 before digital they're more common after 965 00:33:00,110 --> 00:32:57,240 digital and so I started to gather these 966 00:33:01,430 --> 00:33:00,120 things and um I I still wasn't really 967 00:33:02,510 --> 00:33:01,440 that interested and then I saw some of 968 00:33:04,610 --> 00:33:02,520 these collections that people had 969 00:33:07,130 --> 00:33:04,620 they're huge collections I would say 970 00:33:09,169 --> 00:33:07,140 that there's probably the collections I 971 00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:09,179 know I would say there's got to be a 972 00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:10,679 million and a half orb photographs 973 00:33:14,210 --> 00:33:12,600 around the world that are all over the 974 00:33:18,590 --> 00:33:14,220 place and there's there's Hong Kong 975 00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:18,600 there's uh Scotland uh uh Macedonia you 976 00:33:22,009 --> 00:33:20,399 know United States and all these people 977 00:33:23,810 --> 00:33:22,019 who got these Collections and it becomes 978 00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:23,820 the old deal is once people have got one 979 00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:25,260 or two or photographs then they're out 980 00:33:27,529 --> 00:33:26,159 every night and they're trying to 981 00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:27,539 photograph these things and then they 982 00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,039 start picking up beings and they start 983 00:33:33,889 --> 00:33:30,960 picking up all sorts of other stuff like 984 00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:33,899 actual beings and and it just was so 985 00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:35,100 incredible when I saw some of these 986 00:33:38,269 --> 00:33:36,600 collections so I started having panels 987 00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,279 where I'd bring these people on with 988 00:33:42,110 --> 00:33:39,840 these Collections and just get them to 989 00:33:45,049 --> 00:33:42,120 go through and they're they're almost uh 990 00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:45,059 like um I said like crop circles that 991 00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,200 you may not know where they're coming 992 00:33:50,210 --> 00:33:48,240 from or what's going on but it comes to 993 00:33:51,649 --> 00:33:50,220 my theory of wow the reason I think that 994 00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:51,659 the the beings are putting down crop 995 00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,039 circles rather than landing and giving 996 00:33:57,889 --> 00:33:54,960 you a message is the fact that you want 997 00:33:59,450 --> 00:33:57,899 they want you to go wow look at that 998 00:34:01,130 --> 00:33:59,460 take photographs and they want everybody 999 00:34:02,570 --> 00:34:01,140 to photograph it or like Academy 1000 00:34:04,009 --> 00:34:02,580 relations like why do they do this 1001 00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:04,019 bizarre thing with the Cavaliers they 1002 00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:05,519 only take out one eye they do all this 1003 00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:07,320 bizarre stuff because they want you to 1004 00:34:10,490 --> 00:34:08,879 take photographs they want you to go in 1005 00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:10,500 there that's what the whole idea is they 1006 00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:12,060 want they want a message and because 1007 00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:14,460 speak uh cousin relations is very simple 1008 00:34:18,169 --> 00:34:16,020 it's downwind and downstream from 1009 00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:18,179 nuclear power they did all the above 1010 00:34:22,129 --> 00:34:20,520 ground at Atomic test there and that's 1011 00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:22,139 where all the cradling relations took 1012 00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,639 place and they want you to photograph it 1013 00:34:26,210 --> 00:34:24,960 they and you may not know what's going 1014 00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:26,220 on but somebody in the government is 1015 00:34:29,389 --> 00:34:27,540 going you see where that cousin relation 1016 00:34:31,490 --> 00:34:29,399 was holy cow and they know exactly 1017 00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,500 what's going on and so it was this 1018 00:34:35,570 --> 00:34:33,599 theory of wild that the orbs some of 1019 00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:35,580 these collections we just did one we did 1020 00:34:41,329 --> 00:34:39,300 with this uh um Daryl Stokes absolutely 1021 00:34:43,250 --> 00:34:41,339 unbelievable collection out of Sedona 1022 00:34:45,530 --> 00:34:43,260 Arizona and he's taken thousands and 1023 00:34:47,930 --> 00:34:45,540 thousands of photographs and he's got uh 1024 00:34:50,329 --> 00:34:47,940 just the most bizarre collection of 1025 00:34:52,129 --> 00:34:50,339 stuff and it's all different and that's 1026 00:34:53,869 --> 00:34:52,139 what do you find with UFOs so people can 1027 00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:53,879 get on to think about the Tic Tacs oh 1028 00:34:56,930 --> 00:34:55,020 there's Tick Tock and everybody starts 1029 00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:56,940 looking for Tic Tacs and it's the old 1030 00:35:00,589 --> 00:34:58,740 idea they can look like whatever they 1031 00:35:02,810 --> 00:35:00,599 want they can involve themselves that's 1032 00:35:04,430 --> 00:35:02,820 where this idea where the craft is is 1033 00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,440 the size of a football field inside and 1034 00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,720 outside is this little tiny thing so 1035 00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:08,400 that gets to the idea that it could be a 1036 00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,440 little ball A Little Rock and inside 1037 00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,240 there's a whole civilization inside this 1038 00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:14,160 rock because they can make the inside of 1039 00:35:18,589 --> 00:35:15,720 the rock as big as they want and and 1040 00:35:20,810 --> 00:35:18,599 that's where you all our ideas of 1041 00:35:23,150 --> 00:35:20,820 materialism and how the world works all 1042 00:35:24,770 --> 00:35:23,160 start to fall apart but the orb is is 1043 00:35:26,569 --> 00:35:24,780 almost to me like a crop circle thing 1044 00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,579 it's just and and they change them they 1045 00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,800 become almost more magnificent and the 1046 00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:30,240 colors to what I learned with the colors 1047 00:35:34,849 --> 00:35:33,359 we had these shooting parties so one 1048 00:35:37,550 --> 00:35:34,859 girl like some people say oh it's 1049 00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:37,560 digital cameras or it's it's um cell 1050 00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:39,119 phone cameras iPhone cameras they're 1051 00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,920 they work and and then this one girl was 1052 00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:42,720 using a point and shoot and she was 1053 00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:44,460 getting really good photographs so she 1054 00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:46,079 lives just north of the city and she 1055 00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:48,060 thought it was because her her land was 1056 00:35:51,470 --> 00:35:49,920 on Aboriginal land and that's why she's 1057 00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:51,480 getting all these orb photographs so we 1058 00:35:56,270 --> 00:35:53,160 had a an orb party and we would all get 1059 00:35:57,530 --> 00:35:56,280 we all went and got digital or uh 1060 00:35:59,089 --> 00:35:57,540 point-and-shoot cameras the old point 1061 00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:59,099 and shoot cameras and we went out there 1062 00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:00,720 and we'd all shoot at the same time and 1063 00:36:03,950 --> 00:36:02,460 then we'd compare photographs and we 1064 00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:03,960 went out there and what we noticed were 1065 00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:06,480 some things like like the longer you do 1066 00:36:10,609 --> 00:36:08,700 it the more complex your your orbs will 1067 00:36:12,410 --> 00:36:10,619 get so when this first started my 1068 00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,420 assistant his name is Desta and she's a 1069 00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:14,160 she's a Channeler when she first was 1070 00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:15,540 getting him she was the same as me she 1071 00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:16,920 was getting these black and white just 1072 00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:19,200 sort of white orbs type thing and the 1073 00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:20,760 more she shot then she said I was 1074 00:36:24,109 --> 00:36:22,260 getting colors I got some colors now I 1075 00:36:25,970 --> 00:36:24,119 got the red ones and stuff and you could 1076 00:36:27,650 --> 00:36:25,980 see there she was starting to get colors 1077 00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,660 and stuff like that that the longer you 1078 00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:30,000 go on it seems the more complex the the 1079 00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:31,920 the phenomena becomes in terms of the 1080 00:36:35,630 --> 00:36:33,660 orbs that you get but the thing that 1081 00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,640 bothers me is people will categorize 1082 00:36:38,750 --> 00:36:37,200 them as as the different colors and 1083 00:36:40,910 --> 00:36:38,760 stuff and I was talking to the guy today 1084 00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,920 and he was assigning them to Angels 1085 00:36:45,650 --> 00:36:42,960 different types of Archangels the the 1086 00:36:47,390 --> 00:36:45,660 different colors but the what's what's 1087 00:36:49,609 --> 00:36:47,400 come now is the thing about the blue 1088 00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:49,619 meanies which really upsets me is this 1089 00:36:54,050 --> 00:36:52,020 idea that the the skinwalkers of the 1090 00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:54,060 Pentagon book put this thing they're 1091 00:36:57,770 --> 00:36:56,160 doing this whole deal about evil aliens 1092 00:36:59,930 --> 00:36:57,780 and the aliens out to eat us and all 1093 00:37:01,250 --> 00:36:59,940 this kind of stuff and and the the blue 1094 00:37:03,170 --> 00:37:01,260 meanies otherwise you gotta look out for 1095 00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:03,180 these blue orbs they're terrible and I 1096 00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:05,520 knew instinctively that that that Betty 1097 00:37:08,990 --> 00:37:07,140 andreasen who's had six books written 1098 00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:09,000 about her abduction experience she had 1099 00:37:12,829 --> 00:37:11,040 got her first experience in 1944 she's 1100 00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:12,839 seen the beings her whole entire life 1101 00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:14,520 and I would ask questions to her and her 1102 00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:16,140 husband I say hey let me ask you a 1103 00:37:21,530 --> 00:37:19,020 question uh did you know like this this 1104 00:37:22,910 --> 00:37:21,540 thing when you saw the the being in 1944 1105 00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:22,920 and it's the same being you're seeing 1106 00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:25,020 now and they go yep I say did you ever 1107 00:37:28,609 --> 00:37:27,300 get any older I go nope never gotten 1108 00:37:30,170 --> 00:37:28,619 older and then the husband said oh yeah 1109 00:37:31,609 --> 00:37:30,180 but aliens of the long time it was like 1110 00:37:33,770 --> 00:37:31,619 this you know you're trying to justify 1111 00:37:35,569 --> 00:37:33,780 it and I said you know this is this idea 1112 00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:35,579 that when you look at aliens you start 1113 00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:37,859 asking questions like I ask and it 1114 00:37:40,730 --> 00:37:39,000 doesn't make any sense like why would 1115 00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,740 they not get older you're what you're a 1116 00:37:43,609 --> 00:37:42,240 six-year-old girl now you're 80 years 1117 00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:43,619 old and you you've completely changed 1118 00:37:46,730 --> 00:37:45,240 and the alien looks exactly the same or 1119 00:37:48,589 --> 00:37:46,740 you saw it in the last lifetime event it 1120 00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:48,599 was the same in the last lifetime or I 1121 00:37:52,910 --> 00:37:50,940 would say to people hey did you you hit 1122 00:37:56,030 --> 00:37:52,920 the alien and they go yeah do you have 1123 00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:56,040 any clothes on they go no no it did not 1124 00:37:59,450 --> 00:37:58,260 seem unusual to you and they go yeah I 1125 00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:59,460 never thought about that had no clothes 1126 00:38:03,290 --> 00:38:01,680 on and then I'd say do you have any next 1127 00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:03,300 organs they're raping our women that's 1128 00:38:06,829 --> 00:38:05,040 the story they're raping women there and 1129 00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:06,839 I said do you have any sex organs I have 1130 00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,300 never had anybody ever say an alien had 1131 00:38:12,589 --> 00:38:11,280 sex organs they say no and I'd say what 1132 00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,599 didn't you think that was unusual to go 1133 00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:14,640 yeah that was kind of unusual I never 1134 00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,800 thought about that and so it's just you 1135 00:38:20,690 --> 00:38:19,200 see these Pat these weird patterns but 1136 00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,700 they could appear as whatever they want 1137 00:38:24,170 --> 00:38:22,320 so they're they're making it more 1138 00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:24,180 complex and the blue meanies we've got 1139 00:38:29,089 --> 00:38:26,760 also I'm gathering the stories now other 1140 00:38:31,370 --> 00:38:29,099 than the skinwalker thing I've never had 1141 00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:31,380 anybody say the blue meanies were they 1142 00:38:35,690 --> 00:38:33,240 all say that they're they're Angels or 1143 00:38:37,849 --> 00:38:35,700 their guardians or their all this kind 1144 00:38:39,890 --> 00:38:37,859 of stuff and what what that turns into 1145 00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:39,900 is this whole idea about the the the 1146 00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:41,940 sort of the people who have injuries 1147 00:38:46,609 --> 00:38:44,220 which is another thing I look at so what 1148 00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,619 I say is that when you have this skin 1149 00:38:51,650 --> 00:38:49,200 rocker thing the three guys that the 1150 00:38:54,109 --> 00:38:51,660 Special Forces guys that were walking 1151 00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:54,119 down the road and they followed them 1152 00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,680 home they had The Hitchhiker effect and 1153 00:38:59,690 --> 00:38:58,079 hitchhiker effect happens everywhere it 1154 00:39:01,490 --> 00:38:59,700 happens in ghost stories I tell the 1155 00:39:02,690 --> 00:39:01,500 story of the one guy he had the one 1156 00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:02,700 ghost I would tell the whole ghost story 1157 00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:04,680 but he wanted his ghost to appear the 1158 00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:06,780 ghost appears in his black form and he 1159 00:39:09,650 --> 00:39:08,280 said for five years he couldn't get rid 1160 00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,660 of this thing for five years it followed 1161 00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:11,280 him to three different houses so The 1162 00:39:14,210 --> 00:39:12,839 Hitchhiker effect has got nothing to do 1163 00:39:15,890 --> 00:39:14,220 with you it's got to do with paranormal 1164 00:39:17,390 --> 00:39:15,900 phenomena it'll follow you whether it's 1165 00:39:19,010 --> 00:39:17,400 a ghost or or whatever if you get 1166 00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:19,020 attached to it it'll follow you home and 1167 00:39:22,609 --> 00:39:20,280 that's why people do these protection 1168 00:39:23,690 --> 00:39:22,619 things but the the you know the light 1169 00:39:25,849 --> 00:39:23,700 around them and all this kind of stuff 1170 00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:25,859 so when it comes to the the stuff when 1171 00:39:29,569 --> 00:39:27,720 it when it comes to for example the 1172 00:39:31,310 --> 00:39:29,579 runners from forest so I looked at the 1173 00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,320 Renaissance from forest case and you had 1174 00:39:36,050 --> 00:39:33,839 gabanzak and you had her Burrows and you 1175 00:39:37,970 --> 00:39:36,060 had uh peniston and they were there and 1176 00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:37,980 this thing flared up okay so then they 1177 00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:40,320 say oh Burroughs got injured I mean this 1178 00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:42,800 is uh you know this is uh the the the 1179 00:39:48,349 --> 00:39:45,240 aliens are dangerous and all this kind 1180 00:39:50,690 --> 00:39:48,359 of stuff and I say well why if it was 1181 00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:50,700 this in this uh terahertz thing if it 1182 00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,140 was a radiation thing why did the other 1183 00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:54,240 two guys not get injured and I've I've 1184 00:39:57,290 --> 00:39:56,280 asked Burros that and I and and that's 1185 00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,300 the whole thing they should have all got 1186 00:40:01,370 --> 00:39:59,760 in those if it's radiation and the thing 1187 00:40:03,410 --> 00:40:01,380 was if you hear the story told by a 1188 00:40:05,150 --> 00:40:03,420 cabanzak they were there and this thing 1189 00:40:07,010 --> 00:40:05,160 flared up and command Zach was in the 1190 00:40:08,510 --> 00:40:07,020 back Jordan Burrs was there and peniston 1191 00:40:09,950 --> 00:40:08,520 was the closest he never got injured 1192 00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:09,960 Pennington touched the thing he never 1193 00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:11,880 got injured I was close five times 1194 00:40:17,390 --> 00:40:14,220 within 100 yards I never got injured in 1195 00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:17,400 the 1970s and the thing was when it when 1196 00:40:22,430 --> 00:40:20,460 it flared up peniston yelled open fire 1197 00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:22,440 Burrows pulled his gun they were 1198 00:40:26,690 --> 00:40:24,540 supposed to have guns outside the Air 1199 00:40:29,329 --> 00:40:26,700 Force Base and he said I don't remember 1200 00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:29,339 taking the gun we usually had our guns 1201 00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:30,720 in before we left the base to go on 1202 00:40:34,970 --> 00:40:32,940 British territory and he pulled his gun 1203 00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:34,980 and he's the guy that got zapped so when 1204 00:40:38,750 --> 00:40:36,720 they came to the skinwalker these three 1205 00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:38,760 guys that have these things follow him 1206 00:40:42,349 --> 00:40:40,680 home I said I kept asking were these 1207 00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:42,359 guys armed were these were these guys 1208 00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:44,220 armed and and people said well I don't 1209 00:40:47,089 --> 00:40:45,359 know and then finally was confirmed yeah 1210 00:40:48,290 --> 00:40:47,099 they're special forces guys they were 1211 00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:48,300 armed so they were hunting the 1212 00:40:51,770 --> 00:40:50,460 skinwalker and suddenly the part of the 1213 00:40:53,569 --> 00:40:51,780 story they leave out of the book that 1214 00:40:55,010 --> 00:40:53,579 I've heard and I'm trying to confirm I 1215 00:40:57,410 --> 00:40:55,020 know who said it but I'm trying to find 1216 00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,420 the audio of who they said you know how 1217 00:41:01,370 --> 00:40:59,280 they said they came to this cold area 1218 00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:01,380 and then they got all scared and then 1219 00:41:04,430 --> 00:41:02,760 they moved they moved away and it went 1220 00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:04,440 away then they went back in the cold the 1221 00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:05,760 thing that they leave out is the thing 1222 00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:07,200 that they all got a voice in their head 1223 00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:10,560 and the voice said leave you are not 1224 00:41:13,310 --> 00:41:11,520 welcome 1225 00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:13,320 that's what they heard in their head and 1226 00:41:16,910 --> 00:41:15,180 when so when they took these things home 1227 00:41:17,930 --> 00:41:16,920 and they had the blue meanies and all 1228 00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:17,940 this kind of stuff that's where the 1229 00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,920 story came from the thing was these guys 1230 00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:21,839 were armed same as I heard a story now 1231 00:41:25,609 --> 00:41:24,060 about a portal and the woman said oh 1232 00:41:27,470 --> 00:41:25,619 these two guys were in a portal and the 1233 00:41:30,349 --> 00:41:27,480 one guy died and the one one guy had his 1234 00:41:32,329 --> 00:41:30,359 cancer come back and I said oh were they 1235 00:41:35,569 --> 00:41:32,339 armed they're in Georgia were they armed 1236 00:41:37,250 --> 00:41:35,579 well yeah and and I said uh they went in 1237 00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:37,260 the portal and the other special forces 1238 00:41:40,430 --> 00:41:38,640 guys that went in there and I said they 1239 00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:40,440 were armed yeah and and it was the whole 1240 00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:43,260 idea is when I always said if you're 1241 00:41:47,089 --> 00:41:45,000 going to a ce5 don't take a gun with you 1242 00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:47,099 because I tell the story one of the 1243 00:41:50,450 --> 00:41:48,480 things I found in the Statin Friedman 1244 00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,460 files that I found most interesting when 1245 00:41:53,390 --> 00:41:52,079 I the first thing I wanted to look for I 1246 00:41:55,130 --> 00:41:53,400 want to see the Cuban case do you have 1247 00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:55,140 the file in the Cuban case says yeah 1248 00:41:58,430 --> 00:41:56,460 we've actually got that we've got it 1249 00:42:01,550 --> 00:41:58,440 filed already so I went down the Cuban 1250 00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:01,560 case was 1967. when a UFO is coming in 1251 00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:04,260 over Cuba and the they Scrabble the two 1252 00:42:11,450 --> 00:42:06,900 Jets and the the wingman is is in behind 1253 00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:11,460 and he's he's talking and the U.S 1254 00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:13,560 Navy intelligence out of Florida picks 1255 00:42:16,910 --> 00:42:15,000 up this communication and they're 1256 00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:16,920 listening to the the Cuban fighter jets 1257 00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:19,260 and and and he's going along and then 1258 00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:22,079 you hear this you know lock on uh the 1259 00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:24,780 warning lock on and and the guy in 1260 00:42:28,910 --> 00:42:27,180 behind is watching the front guy the 1261 00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,920 front guy locks on to shoot this thing 1262 00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:31,200 down and boom the thing's gone he's just 1263 00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:32,460 disintegrated the whole plane is 1264 00:42:37,069 --> 00:42:34,740 disintegrated now the National Car filed 1265 00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:37,079 an foia they fought with this the FBI 1266 00:42:39,950 --> 00:42:38,400 was involved I won't get into the whole 1267 00:42:41,329 --> 00:42:39,960 story but there's a lot of people trying 1268 00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,339 to figure out the story Stanton Friedman 1269 00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,200 was one he got this guy that leaked the 1270 00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:45,359 story to him and that's what the file I 1271 00:42:48,829 --> 00:42:46,560 was looking for and that's the whole 1272 00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,839 thing is when you lock on get ready I 1273 00:42:52,430 --> 00:42:50,640 mean make sure your insurance is paid up 1274 00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:52,440 you know make sure your will is done 1275 00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:54,540 because I mean it could go bad and it's 1276 00:42:58,490 --> 00:42:57,119 a reflective thing if you listen to 1277 00:43:03,290 --> 00:42:58,500 um 1278 00:43:04,849 --> 00:43:03,300 Brandon fugel Brandon fugle says when 1279 00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:04,859 they land there they always say a prayer 1280 00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,780 he's a big Mormon guy and he says it's 1281 00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:08,640 got a reflective character and that's 1282 00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,859 what George Knapp said the people that 1283 00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,720 had the worst experiences at the ranch 1284 00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:14,400 were the people that were the most 1285 00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:16,980 aggressive to the phenomena and it's the 1286 00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,140 whole idea that that he said it 1287 00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,119 reflective is this idea that if you're 1288 00:43:26,690 --> 00:43:23,520 in a bad mood and you you bring that on 1289 00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,700 get ready or if you remember the book 1290 00:43:30,349 --> 00:43:28,800 um Michael Talbot wrote a book he was an 1291 00:43:31,550 --> 00:43:30,359 experiencer he wrote the book The 1292 00:43:33,530 --> 00:43:31,560 holographic Universe the famous 1293 00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,540 holographic Universe now he was an 1294 00:43:37,730 --> 00:43:35,280 experiencer he was a client of Bud 1295 00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,740 Hopkins and he wrote this book and he 1296 00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,839 tells the story about a poltergeist and 1297 00:43:43,069 --> 00:43:41,040 when he was a kid he had all these 1298 00:43:44,809 --> 00:43:43,079 Poltergeist experiences going on and he 1299 00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,819 said when he was in a good mood the 1300 00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,800 Poltergeist would hang the plants hang 1301 00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,960 the socks off the plants in his room and 1302 00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:50,880 when he was a bad mood he'd wake up with 1303 00:43:56,510 --> 00:43:53,880 needles needle marks and cuts in his arm 1304 00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:56,520 and that's his idea it's reflective it's 1305 00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,000 reflecting your your your your mentality 1306 00:44:03,770 --> 00:44:02,160 and that's what Brandon fugle says it's 1307 00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,780 reflective and they warn people when 1308 00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:06,000 they come on to the Skinwalker Ranch to 1309 00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:08,280 be careful of not challenging this thing 1310 00:44:12,829 --> 00:44:10,740 not you know doing this sort of thing 1311 00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,839 it's the whole idea when you wanted this 1312 00:44:16,609 --> 00:44:15,119 to hunt the skin walker be ready for the 1313 00:44:18,589 --> 00:44:16,619 skinwalker to turn around and hunt you 1314 00:44:20,750 --> 00:44:18,599 back and it you always see this 1315 00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:20,760 reflective that the phenomena is is part 1316 00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:23,160 of us we're part of the experience that 1317 00:44:27,050 --> 00:44:25,140 there's not this them in us that we're 1318 00:44:28,910 --> 00:44:27,060 part of of what we're seeing 1319 00:44:31,309 --> 00:44:28,920 yeah because that I mean that's 1320 00:44:32,329 --> 00:44:31,319 interesting because sometimes and I get 1321 00:44:34,670 --> 00:44:32,339 this a lot of people talking about 1322 00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,680 whether the beings are malevolent or 1323 00:44:39,050 --> 00:44:36,960 benevolent but maybe they're neither it 1324 00:44:40,849 --> 00:44:39,060 just depends how you are is to what 1325 00:44:43,130 --> 00:44:40,859 you're saying it's they react to you and 1326 00:44:44,450 --> 00:44:43,140 your your state of mind and yeah that's 1327 00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:44,460 one of the things I'm working on right 1328 00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,960 now is this whole thing I'm writing a 1329 00:44:49,550 --> 00:44:47,760 book called The Evil alien and that's 1330 00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,560 this whole idea that in our Material 1331 00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:51,599 World we want to separate things we want 1332 00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,880 to separate there's all nouns and when 1333 00:44:57,230 --> 00:44:55,440 you when you start looking at this idea 1334 00:44:59,390 --> 00:44:57,240 of the Consciousness flying to craft and 1335 00:45:00,530 --> 00:44:59,400 Consciousness being primary and that God 1336 00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,540 didn't create the Heaven and the Earth 1337 00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:02,640 God created the Sparks of the Divine and 1338 00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:04,200 we're creating it with our minds we're 1339 00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,180 creating it's the whole idea that the 1340 00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,400 early quantum physics guys this idea 1341 00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:11,040 that uh a material object does not come 1342 00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:12,480 into the material world until it's 1343 00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,520 observed until it's measured that we are 1344 00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:16,319 part of the experiment and that we're 1345 00:45:19,490 --> 00:45:17,880 creating creating this universe and 1346 00:45:21,470 --> 00:45:19,500 we're it's like a video game but we're 1347 00:45:24,530 --> 00:45:21,480 the creators of this video game and and 1348 00:45:26,450 --> 00:45:24,540 it's a a a a loop so we take information 1349 00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,460 in we have experience we put it back 1350 00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,560 into the system the system the whole 1351 00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,720 system becomes more smarter more 1352 00:45:34,250 --> 00:45:32,640 magnificent and we're we're it's this 1353 00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,260 Loop that we're putting we're inputting 1354 00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,240 and we're exporting at the same time and 1355 00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:38,400 everything just gets bigger so 1356 00:45:46,190 --> 00:45:42,480 um it's it's a a thing that uh we we 1357 00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:46,200 have to keep in mind that um there's 1358 00:45:49,790 --> 00:45:47,880 separation and I think the number one 1359 00:45:51,470 --> 00:45:49,800 message of the beings is Oneness 1360 00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:51,480 absolutely there's no no doubt about 1361 00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,460 that it's this idea that everything is 1362 00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:55,200 connected everything is one that's why 1363 00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:57,119 they give These Warnings about the 1364 00:46:00,109 --> 00:45:58,560 planet that you're destroying the planet 1365 00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:00,119 that you're part and we didn't have 1366 00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,940 ecology 1933 I think they the the idea 1367 00:46:06,290 --> 00:46:04,319 of ecologist died we didn't even have 1368 00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,300 the idea that we have an input on the 1369 00:46:09,650 --> 00:46:08,400 Universe on on the the world we now know 1370 00:46:11,210 --> 00:46:09,660 that you can't just dump your stuff into 1371 00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:11,220 the river and stuff we didn't have that 1372 00:46:14,569 --> 00:46:12,780 idea before it's this idea that you're 1373 00:46:15,950 --> 00:46:14,579 part of the system that you're you're in 1374 00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:15,960 and that's the idea they're trying to 1375 00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:17,760 get to us and when you realize you're 1376 00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:20,040 one this idea that that that you've got 1377 00:46:23,390 --> 00:46:22,140 to see the thing in your your mind and 1378 00:46:25,730 --> 00:46:23,400 you can go a hundred thousand light 1379 00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:25,740 years in one second that that it's all 1380 00:46:30,410 --> 00:46:27,720 one thing and that the beings are part 1381 00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:30,420 of us that you may be if you may be part 1382 00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:31,800 of that being you may have been a being 1383 00:46:34,970 --> 00:46:33,480 before so if somebody says oh I think 1384 00:46:36,290 --> 00:46:34,980 the Grays are evil I say well do you 1385 00:46:37,849 --> 00:46:36,300 believe we're Incarnation yeah what 1386 00:46:40,010 --> 00:46:37,859 happens if you're born a great next time 1387 00:46:42,589 --> 00:46:40,020 are you evil now I mean it's it's insane 1388 00:46:45,410 --> 00:46:42,599 it's the the idea that that everybody's 1389 00:46:48,829 --> 00:46:45,420 inputting and and and and putting out 1390 00:46:50,329 --> 00:46:48,839 out and that the beings are just uh 1391 00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,339 simply I think they're higher than us 1392 00:46:53,630 --> 00:46:52,319 they're at a higher vibration in us and 1393 00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:53,640 they realize everything's altruistic 1394 00:46:56,990 --> 00:46:54,839 we're the only ones that have the 1395 00:46:58,430 --> 00:46:57,000 separation idea everybody has this idea 1396 00:47:00,109 --> 00:46:58,440 that you're you're part of the universe 1397 00:47:03,290 --> 00:47:00,119 or one guy said 1398 00:47:04,730 --> 00:47:03,300 um um he had he was abducted by the 1399 00:47:06,589 --> 00:47:04,740 grace and he was talking to the tall 1400 00:47:08,329 --> 00:47:06,599 gray and he was really upset he didn't 1401 00:47:09,650 --> 00:47:08,339 like them at all and he said to the tall 1402 00:47:11,630 --> 00:47:09,660 gray let me give you let me ask you what 1403 00:47:14,329 --> 00:47:11,640 you tell me tell me what's your concept 1404 00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:14,339 of God and he said the tall gray said we 1405 00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:17,040 are one with the one who is all and he 1406 00:47:20,329 --> 00:47:18,540 said I was so blown away I had to sit 1407 00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:20,339 down so I couldn't believe it and it's 1408 00:47:24,109 --> 00:47:22,380 this idea that is all one thing and that 1409 00:47:25,730 --> 00:47:24,119 they're part of you're part of the 1410 00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,740 universe you're part of the system and 1411 00:47:28,609 --> 00:47:27,119 when you get that then you realize 1412 00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,619 you're gonna cut your own arm off if you 1413 00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:30,480 if you kill but we have this idea that 1414 00:47:33,890 --> 00:47:32,220 there's a separation between me and you 1415 00:47:35,569 --> 00:47:33,900 so I can kill you I can steal your stuff 1416 00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:35,579 but when you realize that that's all 1417 00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:36,960 going to come back even the idea of 1418 00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,760 near-death experiences that we now know 1419 00:47:42,410 --> 00:47:40,319 when you start to look at how 1420 00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:42,420 Magnificent the universe how complex it 1421 00:47:46,490 --> 00:47:44,280 is people will talk about this Life 1422 00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,500 review and the near-death experience 1423 00:47:50,990 --> 00:47:48,480 where you go into Life review and you 1424 00:47:52,370 --> 00:47:51,000 replay every event of your life but you 1425 00:47:54,530 --> 00:47:52,380 see it from the other person's 1426 00:47:56,510 --> 00:47:54,540 perspective so I'll do something to you 1427 00:47:58,370 --> 00:47:56,520 and I can see the pain that I caused you 1428 00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,380 but you got to realize somebody will see 1429 00:48:03,050 --> 00:48:00,720 5 000 people in their lifetimes so this 1430 00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,060 5 000 people are all linked and it's all 1431 00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:05,040 linked back in and somehow the universe 1432 00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,420 puts it all into one little thing that 1433 00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,160 takes place in one second and you start 1434 00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:10,319 looking then you realize how complex the 1435 00:48:15,530 --> 00:48:12,660 universe actually is and how it's all 1436 00:48:17,809 --> 00:48:15,540 finely tuned it's all mathematical to 1437 00:48:19,849 --> 00:48:17,819 constants and everything's exactly the 1438 00:48:21,410 --> 00:48:19,859 way it's supposed to be and that that we 1439 00:48:23,089 --> 00:48:21,420 have we have created this and it just 1440 00:48:24,770 --> 00:48:23,099 gets more and more magnificent so it 1441 00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:24,780 would start as a very simple thing and 1442 00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,180 then and the consciousnesses grow and 1443 00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:29,520 they they make atoms even even the the 1444 00:48:32,690 --> 00:48:30,960 idea of evolution where people say oh 1445 00:48:34,849 --> 00:48:32,700 Evolution and I say well okay how did 1446 00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:34,859 the first hydrogen atom get you have 1447 00:48:38,930 --> 00:48:36,420 this thing going around whatever it's 1448 00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:38,940 doing around the the the nucleus and 1449 00:48:42,589 --> 00:48:40,260 stuff like that has been doing that for 1450 00:48:44,210 --> 00:48:42,599 13.70 million years we're going to learn 1451 00:48:46,250 --> 00:48:44,220 to do that I mean it's like you start 1452 00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,260 realizing that that's something has to 1453 00:48:49,970 --> 00:48:48,240 be behind this complex because every 1454 00:48:52,670 --> 00:48:49,980 time you go to something as simple as 1455 00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,680 the hydrogen atom you realize how 1456 00:48:57,050 --> 00:48:54,960 complex it is and and the subatomic 1457 00:49:00,109 --> 00:48:57,060 particles and and the movement and and 1458 00:49:02,809 --> 00:49:00,119 all this kind of stuff and and uh the 1459 00:49:04,490 --> 00:49:02,819 UFO thing is just sort of an example of 1460 00:49:06,410 --> 00:49:04,500 that thing that's showing the universe 1461 00:49:07,849 --> 00:49:06,420 is much more complex and magnificent you 1462 00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:07,859 think it is and that's why I remind 1463 00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:09,839 people it's like you for you to be the 1464 00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,000 World Cup you are in the World Cup of 1465 00:49:15,770 --> 00:49:14,160 all games I mean this is it man you got 1466 00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:15,780 to be in the game you're playing in this 1467 00:49:19,370 --> 00:49:17,400 game and most people outside the stadium 1468 00:49:20,990 --> 00:49:19,380 don't even know this game going on and 1469 00:49:23,150 --> 00:49:21,000 we got to be in the game and we you got 1470 00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:23,160 to re appreciate the fact that we we're 1471 00:49:28,010 --> 00:49:24,960 on the Leading Edge of this thing and we 1472 00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:28,020 can see this This Magnificent uh aspect 1473 00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,520 to the universe that other people don't 1474 00:49:34,849 --> 00:49:31,920 see and we realize that it's a more than 1475 00:49:36,829 --> 00:49:34,859 than just a physical material we're more 1476 00:49:39,050 --> 00:49:36,839 than biological robots running around on 1477 00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:39,060 a random meaningless universe and that's 1478 00:49:41,809 --> 00:49:40,440 what they're showing us but it's this 1479 00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,819 concept of Oneness that we're all 1480 00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:43,440 connected and that's what people will 1481 00:49:46,490 --> 00:49:44,940 say with with the psychedelics I did the 1482 00:49:48,410 --> 00:49:46,500 book on psychedelics I had the 1483 00:49:50,569 --> 00:49:48,420 experiment and people will say I mean 1484 00:49:52,609 --> 00:49:50,579 the famous musicians sting where he goes 1485 00:49:54,410 --> 00:49:52,619 and does the Ayahuasca and he said when 1486 00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,420 he when he did it and then he said I 1487 00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:55,920 suddenly realized everything was a life 1488 00:49:59,870 --> 00:49:58,079 conscious and one that's what it's about 1489 00:50:01,370 --> 00:49:59,880 everything is the life conscious in one 1490 00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:01,380 and that's where you get the craft they 1491 00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:03,780 say will we ever have ai will you ever 1492 00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,460 be able to take Consciousness and put it 1493 00:50:10,190 --> 00:50:07,680 into a machine they got it backwards the 1494 00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:10,200 the Consciousness creates the machine so 1495 00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:12,060 it's the whole idea when you use bio 1496 00:50:16,670 --> 00:50:14,760 boards when you start using biology to 1497 00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:16,680 manage biology and put information into 1498 00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:18,000 biology which I think they're starting 1499 00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,440 to do now they're starting to figure out 1500 00:50:23,089 --> 00:50:21,119 how do you put information into the 1501 00:50:25,150 --> 00:50:23,099 thing so then you can build a ship that 1502 00:50:27,530 --> 00:50:25,160 is conscious and it's made out of 1503 00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,540 biological material it's not made out of 1504 00:50:31,609 --> 00:50:29,280 metal it may seem that way but it's 1505 00:50:33,890 --> 00:50:31,619 alive it's conscious 1506 00:50:35,150 --> 00:50:33,900 it seems like as a race we've got a lot 1507 00:50:37,069 --> 00:50:35,160 to learn whether it be about the 1508 00:50:39,710 --> 00:50:37,079 universe physics and ourselves 1509 00:50:40,970 --> 00:50:39,720 Consciousness so some very interesting 1510 00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:40,980 thought 1511 00:50:48,109 --> 00:50:46,319 there I find that really fascinating now 1512 00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:48,119 we've been talking about the orbs 1513 00:50:51,890 --> 00:50:50,400 earlier and one case that really 1514 00:50:53,569 --> 00:50:51,900 intrigues me and I know a lot of other 1515 00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:53,579 people is the Christopher Bledsoe case 1516 00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,500 because orbs are really prominent in 1517 00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,599 that now I think we've all heard the 1518 00:51:02,329 --> 00:51:00,000 kind of the story down by the river and 1519 00:51:03,650 --> 00:51:02,339 we've heard about the lady but one thing 1520 00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:03,660 I've struggled to find much more 1521 00:51:08,049 --> 00:51:05,940 information is just about everything in 1522 00:51:12,049 --> 00:51:08,059 between you know with his connections to 1523 00:51:13,790 --> 00:51:12,059 NASA and and intelligence people so and 1524 00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,800 I know that you've been a part of that 1525 00:51:17,870 --> 00:51:15,599 case and you've you I think you've 1526 00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,880 visited Chris many times if I'm if I'm 1527 00:51:21,890 --> 00:51:20,400 not right once I had a bizarre sword so 1528 00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:21,900 I could tell you about but I wrote about 1529 00:51:24,829 --> 00:51:23,520 him in a book called 1530 00:51:26,089 --> 00:51:24,839 um uh 1531 00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:26,099 uh 1532 00:51:33,230 --> 00:51:31,980 him in 2014. I met him in 2013 and it 1533 00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:33,240 was one of these synchronistic things 1534 00:51:37,010 --> 00:51:35,220 where I met him at an event called the 1535 00:51:38,510 --> 00:51:37,020 Gathering I didn't know who he was it 1536 00:51:39,950 --> 00:51:38,520 was people all gathered around him I 1537 00:51:41,630 --> 00:51:39,960 guess they'd sort of heard his story or 1538 00:51:43,130 --> 00:51:41,640 whatever and I remember I was sitting 1539 00:51:44,329 --> 00:51:43,140 with his wife in the bus and she was 1540 00:51:46,130 --> 00:51:44,339 saying she was just showing me her cell 1541 00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:46,140 phone with the daughter and she was 1542 00:51:49,309 --> 00:51:47,460 doing tap dancing or something and 1543 00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:49,319 singing he said look at my daughter and 1544 00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,640 uh that's Chris's thing I'm not really 1545 00:51:54,049 --> 00:51:52,319 into that and like my daughter she's 1546 00:51:56,089 --> 00:51:54,059 gonna listen she's all into her 1547 00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:56,099 daughter's tap dancing or whatever and 1548 00:52:01,309 --> 00:51:59,040 uh so then I I still needed to talk to 1549 00:52:04,130 --> 00:52:01,319 Chris but then what happened was I was 1550 00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,140 lecturing I was at the uh citizens 1551 00:52:07,970 --> 00:52:05,760 hearing and I was going to Florida to 1552 00:52:10,370 --> 00:52:07,980 lecture and I would go right within five 1553 00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:10,380 miles of his place I said Chris can I 1554 00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:11,700 stop by and see you and he said oh yeah 1555 00:52:15,530 --> 00:52:13,260 he's the most hospitable guy in the 1556 00:52:17,690 --> 00:52:15,540 whole world he said yeah sure stop in so 1557 00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:17,700 I stopped in there and I had the what's 1558 00:52:20,930 --> 00:52:19,500 called The Burning Tree which people 1559 00:52:23,569 --> 00:52:20,940 know the story about The Burning Tree 1560 00:52:25,849 --> 00:52:23,579 where where he has this it burns three 1561 00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:25,859 times in six hours and they keep putting 1562 00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,300 it out with this hose and it keeps 1563 00:52:31,549 --> 00:52:29,520 lighting up or whatever and 1564 00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,559 um so anyway 1565 00:52:36,410 --> 00:52:34,079 um I I went there and then what happened 1566 00:52:38,450 --> 00:52:36,420 was my bizarre story that I knew was the 1567 00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:38,460 real deal was I'm sitting in the living 1568 00:52:41,329 --> 00:52:39,780 room with him and I'm ready to go to 1569 00:52:43,609 --> 00:52:41,339 Florida and I was going to stop on the 1570 00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:43,619 way back but I said I I gotta head to 1571 00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,359 Florida I got to make it there by 1572 00:52:48,770 --> 00:52:47,040 whatever time 1573 00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,780 and so we're sitting there and his wife 1574 00:52:53,329 --> 00:52:50,640 and kids had all left and we were 1575 00:52:54,829 --> 00:52:53,339 playing on Facebook and uh all of a 1576 00:52:56,930 --> 00:52:54,839 sudden Chris goes what are you doing 1577 00:52:58,609 --> 00:52:56,940 back in the room yeah look he's got 1578 00:53:00,589 --> 00:52:58,619 three dogs he's got a big black lab 1579 00:53:03,410 --> 00:53:00,599 which his name is Nelly and then he's 1580 00:53:04,970 --> 00:53:03,420 got a medium-sized dogs all mixtures 1581 00:53:07,130 --> 00:53:04,980 then you've got a little Chihuahua so 1582 00:53:08,809 --> 00:53:07,140 these three different dogs size and it's 1583 00:53:10,430 --> 00:53:08,819 how do you get back a nose and until you 1584 00:53:12,349 --> 00:53:10,440 get up and we walk to the front door the 1585 00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:12,359 front door is wide open and he goes puts 1586 00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:13,980 him out he says you know get out there I 1587 00:53:16,609 --> 00:53:14,940 don't have the front door going to open 1588 00:53:17,930 --> 00:53:16,619 he closes the door so I leave and I go 1589 00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:17,940 to Florida and I get to Florida and 1590 00:53:21,410 --> 00:53:19,740 there's an email from Chris and he says 1591 00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:21,420 you know what happened twice more after 1592 00:53:26,089 --> 00:53:24,720 you left and he said I I went back in 1593 00:53:27,470 --> 00:53:26,099 the living room and I suddenly the dogs 1594 00:53:29,450 --> 00:53:27,480 are back in the house and I went the 1595 00:53:30,530 --> 00:53:29,460 front door is wide open and then I put 1596 00:53:31,790 --> 00:53:30,540 them out and then I went to the bathroom 1597 00:53:32,930 --> 00:53:31,800 and I came out of the bathroom and the 1598 00:53:34,430 --> 00:53:32,940 dog's back in the house the front door 1599 00:53:36,730 --> 00:53:34,440 is wide open and I thought to myself 1600 00:53:39,170 --> 00:53:36,740 yeah you left the door open yeah 1601 00:53:41,210 --> 00:53:39,180 you left the door open and this is where 1602 00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:41,220 this idea the theory of wow is what is 1603 00:53:44,690 --> 00:53:42,960 the phenomenon actually doing so I 1604 00:53:46,609 --> 00:53:44,700 didn't know I mean the door has been 1605 00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,619 left open so when I go back this happens 1606 00:53:51,290 --> 00:53:48,720 within 10 minutes after I come back so I 1607 00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:51,300 get back and for whatever reason I had 1608 00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:52,800 the camera on the front seat I don't 1609 00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,760 know what it was I had the camera 1610 00:53:56,930 --> 00:53:55,200 sitting on the front seat 1611 00:53:58,849 --> 00:53:56,940 and I go back and I want to take some 1612 00:54:00,109 --> 00:53:58,859 more pictures of The Burning Tree so I 1613 00:54:01,790 --> 00:54:00,119 said let's go pay and I take some 1614 00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:01,800 pictures of tree we come back we're 1615 00:54:06,290 --> 00:54:03,960 standing on the back concrete patio 1616 00:54:08,450 --> 00:54:06,300 outside his back door and we're talking 1617 00:54:10,490 --> 00:54:08,460 and Nelly is right in behind us the big 1618 00:54:12,829 --> 00:54:10,500 block lab and she's chewing on this on 1619 00:54:14,569 --> 00:54:12,839 this gourd and she's chewing on it and 1620 00:54:16,849 --> 00:54:14,579 and she's right there right on the edge 1621 00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:16,859 of the grass and then 1622 00:54:20,329 --> 00:54:18,599 um he says well you won't go the house I 1623 00:54:21,470 --> 00:54:20,339 said yeah okay so we're gonna go in the 1624 00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,480 house and you know a dog wants to get 1625 00:54:24,130 --> 00:54:23,040 the house before you and you open the 1626 00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:24,140 door yes 1627 00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:27,839 so Chris is here I'm here and the dog is 1628 00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:30,180 on my left hand side and the dog goes 1629 00:54:33,710 --> 00:54:31,440 running by me and we're going in the 1630 00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,720 door and then I hear Chris say Nelly 1631 00:54:38,450 --> 00:54:36,000 Nelly what happened to you and then look 1632 00:54:39,470 --> 00:54:38,460 at the dog the dog is there and the 1633 00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,480 blood is 1634 00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:41,760 shooting at the dog's neck like a like a 1635 00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,960 hose 1636 00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:44,640 and a shooting out and it's all over the 1637 00:54:48,589 --> 00:54:47,280 walls it's and he says and he grabs it 1638 00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:48,599 by the collar and he pulls it back out 1639 00:54:51,890 --> 00:54:50,520 and the blood is coming out the door and 1640 00:54:53,690 --> 00:54:51,900 he says nothing not only what happened 1641 00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:53,700 to you and he lies her down on the on 1642 00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:55,740 the on this patio thing concrete patio 1643 00:55:00,049 --> 00:54:57,119 and Nellie's just lying there very 1644 00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,059 nicely and uh so the the Sun comes out 1645 00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:02,400 and he says I'll shoot that raccoon I 1646 00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:03,900 said there was no raccoon we're standing 1647 00:55:07,130 --> 00:55:05,280 right here and then I'll shoot the dog 1648 00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,140 then if it's I'm gonna shoot it he's got 1649 00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:09,839 this automatic rifle and it's like holy 1650 00:55:14,089 --> 00:55:12,300 cow and then and then I said no it's 1651 00:55:16,130 --> 00:55:14,099 Chris this is Chris Jr who was actually 1652 00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:16,140 in the event he was in the event there 1653 00:55:19,790 --> 00:55:18,000 yeah and I said Chris no no there was 1654 00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:19,800 there was no there was no raccoon 1655 00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:20,880 there's no dog we would have heard it 1656 00:55:24,650 --> 00:55:22,800 did some admit the dog we would have 1657 00:55:28,190 --> 00:55:24,660 heard it and then and but what happened 1658 00:55:30,890 --> 00:55:28,200 was as soon as as soon as I saw that the 1659 00:55:32,450 --> 00:55:30,900 blood I said this is weird I go run into 1660 00:55:33,710 --> 00:55:32,460 the car and I grabbed my camera and I 1661 00:55:36,170 --> 00:55:33,720 come back and start photographing this 1662 00:55:38,270 --> 00:55:36,180 and so I took photographs of Chris and 1663 00:55:39,890 --> 00:55:38,280 this is when Chris learned to heal he 1664 00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,900 didn't heal before that he put He had a 1665 00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,760 rag and the rag you'll see in the 1666 00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,440 picture it's all full of blood he's got 1667 00:55:49,130 --> 00:55:45,359 the rag on the dog's neck and then he 1668 00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,140 takes he takes it up and the dog gets up 1669 00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:50,880 wags her tail goes running around the 1670 00:55:54,829 --> 00:55:52,980 house I go chasing after the dog no more 1671 00:55:55,970 --> 00:55:54,839 blood the dog barks at the front door 1672 00:55:58,790 --> 00:55:55,980 once and goes running into the 1673 00:56:01,370 --> 00:55:58,800 neighbor's yard and so the thing was was 1674 00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:01,380 the way it appeared to me was you 1675 00:56:05,329 --> 00:56:03,119 weren't you you weren't amazed when we 1676 00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,339 were opening the front door watch this 1677 00:56:10,609 --> 00:56:07,920 and when I looked because it was on my 1678 00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:10,619 side so when it went by me how long does 1679 00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:12,300 it take a dog to run by you like a tenth 1680 00:56:15,410 --> 00:56:14,040 of a second yeah did you see the side of 1681 00:56:16,910 --> 00:56:15,420 my pants the side of my pants were 1682 00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,920 completely covered with blood up and 1683 00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:18,480 down my pants it was like I was standing 1684 00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:19,920 there for five minutes shooting blood on 1685 00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:21,660 my pants and I'm looking at the pants I 1686 00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:24,240 go holy cow so I never really for a 1687 00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:25,680 month I didn't wash the pants I said man 1688 00:56:28,609 --> 00:56:27,119 I got these famous pants man with the 1689 00:56:30,589 --> 00:56:28,619 blood all over them and stuff like that 1690 00:56:33,230 --> 00:56:30,599 and it was like watch this you're not 1691 00:56:35,329 --> 00:56:33,240 you're not you're not amazed and it was 1692 00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:35,339 just I was just floored I was I was and 1693 00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:37,140 then so Chris and I have a discussion 1694 00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:39,119 after but what happened and he said oh 1695 00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:40,440 that was the that was the shadow people 1696 00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:41,760 and I said what do you mean the shadow 1697 00:56:44,690 --> 00:56:43,200 people and he told me about the shadow 1698 00:56:46,730 --> 00:56:44,700 people he has these two-dimensional 1699 00:56:48,290 --> 00:56:46,740 shadow people run around along the wall 1700 00:56:49,609 --> 00:56:48,300 and go right through the wall into the 1701 00:56:51,650 --> 00:56:49,619 next room and they were around all the 1702 00:56:52,849 --> 00:56:51,660 time and they would all everybody in the 1703 00:56:53,930 --> 00:56:52,859 family had seen him I had interviewed 1704 00:56:55,549 --> 00:56:53,940 everybody in the family they all said 1705 00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:55,559 yeah we'd see the shadow people and then 1706 00:56:59,569 --> 00:56:57,359 you'd hear Footprints walking through 1707 00:57:01,309 --> 00:56:59,579 the the ceiling and stuff like that and 1708 00:57:03,250 --> 00:57:01,319 this happens in Poltergeist cases as 1709 00:57:04,970 --> 00:57:03,260 well and I then I would say to them hey 1710 00:57:06,530 --> 00:57:04,980 shout out to people did you see the one 1711 00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:06,540 with a hat he said yeah I saw the one 1712 00:57:09,950 --> 00:57:08,160 with the hat and it's like what the heck 1713 00:57:12,650 --> 00:57:09,960 like why why is a shadow person wearing 1714 00:57:15,410 --> 00:57:12,660 a hat but he saw the one with a hat and 1715 00:57:16,730 --> 00:57:15,420 uh so anyway he he said it was a shot of 1716 00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,740 people I said what would it be shadow 1717 00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:19,200 people he said well they're evil and I 1718 00:57:21,470 --> 00:57:20,160 said well how do you know the evil and 1719 00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:21,480 he said well they're dark and I said 1720 00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:22,319 well it's just because they're dark 1721 00:57:25,790 --> 00:57:23,520 doesn't mean they're evil you know what 1722 00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:25,800 I think it was you know I think they did 1723 00:57:29,329 --> 00:57:27,540 it and he said why I said because you're 1724 00:57:30,650 --> 00:57:29,339 doing them at that time he was there was 1725 00:57:32,990 --> 00:57:30,660 going to be a movie with Warner Brothers 1726 00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:33,000 and Mel Gibson wanted to do the movie 1727 00:57:39,770 --> 00:57:37,440 and and uh or uh Julia Roberts was going 1728 00:57:42,049 --> 00:57:39,780 to play Diane pasaka if you know the the 1729 00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:42,059 religion Professor so they were gonna do 1730 00:57:44,809 --> 00:57:43,680 it and and so I said they they're what 1731 00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,819 they're they're you're doing a movie 1732 00:57:47,930 --> 00:57:46,319 they want want this in the movie they 1733 00:57:49,069 --> 00:57:47,940 want this because in a movie if you go 1734 00:57:50,809 --> 00:57:49,079 to a movie and it's just like people 1735 00:57:52,730 --> 00:57:50,819 sitting on the beach drinking my ties 1736 00:57:54,290 --> 00:57:52,740 for 25 minutes you're gonna get a walk 1737 00:57:56,089 --> 00:57:54,300 out you want this thing you know the 1738 00:57:58,130 --> 00:57:56,099 dog's bleeding and and the guy's trying 1739 00:58:01,130 --> 00:57:58,140 to overcome his disease and and he's 1740 00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:01,140 trying to fight off the evil guys you 1741 00:58:03,770 --> 00:58:02,400 want a like a roller coaster you know 1742 00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:03,780 these some people are sitting on the 1743 00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:05,280 edge of your seat and I said that's what 1744 00:58:08,210 --> 00:58:06,839 that's what they want and he said no no 1745 00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:08,220 I don't think so nothing and then about 1746 00:58:11,809 --> 00:58:09,960 two weeks later reference he says hey 1747 00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:11,819 you still got those uh photos of the dog 1748 00:58:16,609 --> 00:58:14,460 I said yeah he said uh can uh we could 1749 00:58:18,290 --> 00:58:16,619 Warner Brothers get a copy of those and 1750 00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,300 and if if they're gonna put it in 1751 00:58:22,250 --> 00:58:20,640 whatever he does whatever movie is this 1752 00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:22,260 is going to be one of the the stories 1753 00:58:24,829 --> 00:58:23,520 that they're going to tell and that's 1754 00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:24,839 where I got this idea that they're 1755 00:58:27,950 --> 00:58:26,280 they're doing it so I knew it was the 1756 00:58:29,630 --> 00:58:27,960 real deal from then but that's when he 1757 00:58:31,130 --> 00:58:29,640 was able to heal and if you've seen some 1758 00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:31,140 of the photos people send him clothes 1759 00:58:35,150 --> 00:58:32,940 and they put the clothes inside the tree 1760 00:58:36,349 --> 00:58:35,160 yeah and people are praying I saw him do 1761 00:58:38,450 --> 00:58:36,359 a healing 1762 00:58:40,430 --> 00:58:38,460 um I saw two things uh this gets into 1763 00:58:43,130 --> 00:58:40,440 this thing about the government people I 1764 00:58:44,690 --> 00:58:43,140 I was at a conference with him in Maine 1765 00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:44,700 and he said I couldn't tell you this and 1766 00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:45,839 he would take me into there's room and 1767 00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:47,760 he's showing me stuff on the computer I 1768 00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:50,220 couldn't tell you till now now I can 1769 00:58:53,569 --> 00:58:51,599 tell you this stuff and he would show me 1770 00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:53,579 all the stuff on the computer of these 1771 00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,200 things that he'd seen and photographed 1772 00:59:00,589 --> 00:58:57,359 and stuff like that and 1773 00:59:03,950 --> 00:59:00,599 um he he did a healing there just before 1774 00:59:05,870 --> 00:59:03,960 my lecture the he was standing out front 1775 00:59:07,730 --> 00:59:05,880 um and these two women they were in 1776 00:59:10,670 --> 00:59:07,740 their 70s they were Twins and one had 1777 00:59:12,049 --> 00:59:10,680 had a stroke and she was deaf and Chris 1778 00:59:13,789 --> 00:59:12,059 she came out they come up to Chris and 1779 00:59:15,470 --> 00:59:13,799 said can you heal my my sister can you 1780 00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:15,480 hear my sister and he said I didn't know 1781 00:59:19,069 --> 00:59:17,040 what to do so I said in the name of 1782 00:59:20,990 --> 00:59:19,079 Jesus he put his hands on his ears I 1783 00:59:23,450 --> 00:59:21,000 pray you'd be healed and stuff like this 1784 00:59:25,010 --> 00:59:23,460 so she came out of my lecture and she 1785 00:59:25,970 --> 00:59:25,020 was yelling I can hear I can hear I 1786 00:59:29,450 --> 00:59:25,980 heard everything I heard everything 1787 00:59:31,490 --> 00:59:29,460 Grant said I was like holy cow and what 1788 00:59:33,890 --> 00:59:31,500 happened was he got a message from this 1789 00:59:36,589 --> 00:59:33,900 Tim Taylor guy so Tim Taylor is this 1790 00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:36,599 NASA guy that's the secret and I've 1791 00:59:41,930 --> 00:59:37,920 actually met this guy I was with him 1792 00:59:44,690 --> 00:59:41,940 Chris and him in a cottage in 2013 and I 1793 00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,700 got a real wild story that gets do to do 1794 00:59:48,410 --> 00:59:46,319 with do that have time travel which I 1795 00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:48,420 think they may have but anyway he so he 1796 00:59:53,930 --> 00:59:52,319 he shows me he's he says Tim emails at 1797 00:59:55,730 --> 00:59:53,940 the same time he gets a text message of 1798 00:59:57,049 --> 00:59:55,740 Tim and he said if you're ever outside a 1799 00:59:59,630 --> 00:59:57,059 hotel and someone asks for healing go 1800 01:00:03,250 --> 00:59:59,640 ahead and do it I said he said that he 1801 01:00:05,450 --> 01:00:03,260 said yeah and then we go to this meeting 1802 01:00:06,770 --> 01:00:05,460 at lunch all the people go to a 1803 01:00:08,990 --> 01:00:06,780 restaurant or something so we're on this 1804 01:00:10,190 --> 01:00:09,000 restaurant and two of the girls had said 1805 01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:10,200 they were going to ask Chris for a 1806 01:00:13,010 --> 01:00:11,760 healing they were some I don't know what 1807 01:00:14,510 --> 01:00:13,020 the deal was but they're gonna ask for 1808 01:00:15,770 --> 01:00:14,520 Christopher Healy so all these people 1809 01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,780 are there and I'm there and these two 1810 01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:17,520 girls are there and then people start to 1811 01:00:20,750 --> 01:00:19,200 leave and then I I realized that just me 1812 01:00:21,890 --> 01:00:20,760 and the two girls and Chris I don't want 1813 01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:21,900 to interfere with what they're going to 1814 01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:24,000 do so I said okay I'm gonna head off to 1815 01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:25,200 the lecture see you later and these two 1816 01:00:28,910 --> 01:00:26,760 girls were there and then the girls come 1817 01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:28,920 the girls crying she says you can't 1818 01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:31,920 believe it she says she says Chris Chris 1819 01:00:36,829 --> 01:00:33,839 was sitting there and all of a sudden he 1820 01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:36,839 got a message from uh on his cell phone 1821 01:00:39,230 --> 01:00:37,920 and said if you're ever in a restaurant 1822 01:00:41,630 --> 01:00:39,240 someone asked for healing go ahead and 1823 01:00:43,309 --> 01:00:41,640 do it and this girl breaks breaking the 1824 01:00:45,289 --> 01:00:43,319 crime that they're about to ask him for 1825 01:00:47,150 --> 01:00:45,299 a healing and there's just another text 1826 01:00:50,089 --> 01:00:47,160 message so this is Tim Taylor the way he 1827 01:00:52,010 --> 01:00:50,099 got picked up Tim Taylor got uh got 1828 01:00:55,849 --> 01:00:52,020 involved with this thing was Diane 1829 01:00:57,770 --> 01:00:55,859 pasulka had somebody had she's the 1830 01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:57,780 religious professor she was the head 1831 01:01:03,049 --> 01:00:58,880 yeah 1832 01:01:04,430 --> 01:01:03,059 in North Carolina University and she had 1833 01:01:07,490 --> 01:01:04,440 um somebody came up here and said oh 1834 01:01:11,089 --> 01:01:07,500 you're photographing uh you're she's 1835 01:01:14,089 --> 01:01:11,099 talking about uh Sky stuff in biblical 1836 01:01:15,170 --> 01:01:14,099 stuff and in in religion Roman Catholic 1837 01:01:18,289 --> 01:01:15,180 religion and he said that sounds like 1838 01:01:20,030 --> 01:01:18,299 UFO stuff [\h__\h] not UFO stuff now and she 1839 01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,040 disputed this and then she got sort of 1840 01:01:24,829 --> 01:01:22,319 she went to see Chris lecture and this 1841 01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:24,839 is the famous lecture he gave at uh in 1842 01:01:29,450 --> 01:01:27,119 North Carolina where 1843 01:01:32,450 --> 01:01:29,460 um he was giving the lecture and he was 1844 01:01:35,569 --> 01:01:32,460 talking about meeting the the lady 1845 01:01:37,849 --> 01:01:35,579 that he met and the lady that he met was 1846 01:01:39,470 --> 01:01:37,859 the same dad the download experience is 1847 01:01:41,089 --> 01:01:39,480 either then or it was within a couple of 1848 01:01:43,130 --> 01:01:41,099 days when I had the Donald experience in 1849 01:01:44,990 --> 01:01:43,140 2012. February 26th he said it was 1850 01:01:47,569 --> 01:01:45,000 Easter but it was it was in that time 1851 01:01:49,609 --> 01:01:47,579 period and Ray Hernandez from free had 1852 01:01:50,930 --> 01:01:49,619 the dog experience the week after me so 1853 01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:50,940 all these events happen at the same time 1854 01:01:55,069 --> 01:01:53,760 but uh so Diane fasalco went to see him 1855 01:01:56,930 --> 01:01:55,079 lecture and this is a lecture where he's 1856 01:01:58,370 --> 01:01:56,940 he's lecturing and he's talking he 1857 01:02:00,530 --> 01:01:58,380 starts talking about the lady because 1858 01:02:02,270 --> 01:02:00,540 Chris is sort of very religious and he 1859 01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:02,280 he thinks that's the important part and 1860 01:02:05,150 --> 01:02:03,660 it may be the important parts he's 1861 01:02:07,490 --> 01:02:05,160 talking about this lady and the lady 1862 01:02:09,410 --> 01:02:07,500 said you got a message uh you get you 1863 01:02:11,329 --> 01:02:09,420 got a burden to carry this and and and 1864 01:02:13,010 --> 01:02:11,339 you have to do this the burden is the 1865 01:02:15,230 --> 01:02:13,020 message he's got this message for the 1866 01:02:16,849 --> 01:02:15,240 world and so he's telling us people are 1867 01:02:20,270 --> 01:02:16,859 you somebody started yelling we don't 1868 01:02:22,609 --> 01:02:20,280 hear about those things lady and and 1869 01:02:24,349 --> 01:02:22,619 they were starting to harass him in this 1870 01:02:26,809 --> 01:02:24,359 lecture and then he said suddenly this 1871 01:02:28,670 --> 01:02:26,819 voice came in his head and said uh tell 1872 01:02:30,829 --> 01:02:28,680 him tell him about the earthquake in 1873 01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:30,839 Baja California on September 25th he 1874 01:02:35,390 --> 01:02:32,640 said there's going to be a earthquake 1875 01:02:36,829 --> 01:02:35,400 Baja California on September 25th and 1876 01:02:39,230 --> 01:02:36,839 then the second one what was the other 1877 01:02:40,609 --> 01:02:39,240 one that they told him uh oh yeah he 1878 01:02:43,490 --> 01:02:40,619 said there's going to there's going to 1879 01:02:45,770 --> 01:02:43,500 be a a a major there's going to be a 1880 01:02:49,250 --> 01:02:45,780 natural event that's going to affect the 1881 01:02:55,010 --> 01:02:51,849 yeah no 2012 1882 01:02:58,190 --> 01:02:55,020 2012 election and that's what Hurricane 1883 01:03:01,069 --> 01:02:58,200 Sandy came down the coast uh and knocked 1884 01:03:03,289 --> 01:03:01,079 out all the Alexa stations in in part of 1885 01:03:05,450 --> 01:03:03,299 New York City and New Jersey and it's 1886 01:03:07,010 --> 01:03:05,460 actually happened and and so he had got 1887 01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:07,020 these two predictions and and he just 1888 01:03:09,950 --> 01:03:08,640 said to the people there's going to be 1889 01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:09,960 this thing and there's these two 1890 01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:11,940 predictions but so she saw him at this 1891 01:03:16,490 --> 01:03:14,160 lecture and then she started to talk to 1892 01:03:18,890 --> 01:03:16,500 him and got interested and she's the one 1893 01:03:20,809 --> 01:03:18,900 that sort of introduced them to uh Tim 1894 01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:20,819 Taylor and then people started looking 1895 01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:24,000 at him and Chris actually told me just a 1896 01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:26,160 little while ago where he he said to 1897 01:03:29,809 --> 01:03:28,260 them he said so why because he's got 1898 01:03:32,030 --> 01:03:29,819 everybody like I asked him we flew the 1899 01:03:34,910 --> 01:03:32,040 ship for example and I said did any of 1900 01:03:36,890 --> 01:03:34,920 these uh high-level uh government people 1901 01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:36,900 ever ask you about flying the ship he 1902 01:03:41,390 --> 01:03:39,359 said oh yeah he said they brought a U.S 1903 01:03:44,210 --> 01:03:41,400 Air Force General and I told this U.S 1904 01:03:45,950 --> 01:03:44,220 general how to fly the craft and so 1905 01:03:48,109 --> 01:03:45,960 they're bringing these people in and and 1906 01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:48,119 he said to them he says so so why why 1907 01:03:51,289 --> 01:03:49,680 are you on my property he said why are 1908 01:03:53,150 --> 01:03:51,299 you guys all coming to me for like you 1909 01:03:55,490 --> 01:03:53,160 know like well what's the big deal here 1910 01:03:58,250 --> 01:03:55,500 like why me and and then the guy said to 1911 01:04:00,770 --> 01:03:58,260 me says well he says it seems that 1912 01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:00,780 you've got contact and he said it's it 1913 01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:03,240 appears they they like you and it 1914 01:04:06,430 --> 01:04:04,799 appears they don't like us because they 1915 01:04:09,230 --> 01:04:06,440 don't contact us 1916 01:04:11,870 --> 01:04:09,240 so so he was he's had all these 1917 01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:11,880 experiences I wrote about him in 2014. 1918 01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:14,160 and there was stuff I I described stuff 1919 01:04:17,930 --> 01:04:15,359 that you've probably never heard about 1920 01:04:20,450 --> 01:04:17,940 but he had this camera they messed with 1921 01:04:22,250 --> 01:04:20,460 this camera they they did he had this 1922 01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:22,260 golden orb that was flying along and he 1923 01:04:26,030 --> 01:04:24,000 photographed it and it was a brand new 1924 01:04:27,890 --> 01:04:26,040 camera and it never it never worked 1925 01:04:29,270 --> 01:04:27,900 again it would it was we called them 1926 01:04:31,789 --> 01:04:29,280 melted pictures all the pictures look 1927 01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:31,799 like they're melted and and then he he 1928 01:04:34,670 --> 01:04:33,119 tried to return it and they wouldn't 1929 01:04:36,289 --> 01:04:34,680 return it so I actually went to the 1930 01:04:37,490 --> 01:04:36,299 company and made the thing and I said we 1931 01:04:39,410 --> 01:04:37,500 got this thing and I sent them the 1932 01:04:41,329 --> 01:04:39,420 photographs I didn't say what happened I 1933 01:04:42,890 --> 01:04:41,339 said what would happen to a camera that 1934 01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:42,900 does this can you explain why a camera 1935 01:04:47,089 --> 01:04:44,760 when your camera would do this and they 1936 01:04:48,170 --> 01:04:47,099 said oh send it back for for repairs I 1937 01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:48,180 don't want to repair it just tell me 1938 01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:49,680 what the photographs no no if you want 1939 01:04:53,030 --> 01:04:51,119 to repair it we'll give you a free 1940 01:04:55,069 --> 01:04:53,040 camera and it was I couldn't get them to 1941 01:04:57,049 --> 01:04:55,079 to buy the the thing and tell me what 1942 01:05:00,289 --> 01:04:57,059 these things but he had a lot of a lot 1943 01:05:02,690 --> 01:05:00,299 of bizarre stuff that happened and uh so 1944 01:05:06,049 --> 01:05:02,700 he's there's enough at one point he was 1945 01:05:08,990 --> 01:05:06,059 gonna do Five Seasons uh of of a show 1946 01:05:10,370 --> 01:05:09,000 that they they wow auctioned for two and 1947 01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:10,380 then people said no we wanted Five 1948 01:05:14,270 --> 01:05:12,240 Seasons he has a lot of stuff but he's 1949 01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:14,280 like a magnet so there's a bunch of 1950 01:05:18,650 --> 01:05:16,559 people around you'll find that that seem 1951 01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:18,660 to attract the phenomena and now he's 1952 01:05:23,930 --> 01:05:21,359 photographing uh the orbs and they come 1953 01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:23,940 and like Jim send me van for the CIA 1954 01:05:28,250 --> 01:05:26,640 comes every year to his house uh for his 1955 01:05:30,589 --> 01:05:28,260 birthday and stuff like that that's how 1956 01:05:32,569 --> 01:05:30,599 he discovered semi band was I just I 1957 01:05:34,250 --> 01:05:32,579 identified him before anybody every day 1958 01:05:36,589 --> 01:05:34,260 identified him and Chris was the one 1959 01:05:38,089 --> 01:05:36,599 that told me in 2016 when I figured out 1960 01:05:40,190 --> 01:05:38,099 he's kept referring to him as the big 1961 01:05:42,049 --> 01:05:40,200 man in Washington and then I saw this 1962 01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:42,059 guy sitting there at Chris's birthday 1963 01:05:46,010 --> 01:05:44,160 party and then I looked and his name was 1964 01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:46,020 Jim send me back and I look I wonder if 1965 01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:47,520 he's from Washington look yeah he's from 1966 01:05:52,910 --> 01:05:49,680 Washington that's the guy and and Chris 1967 01:05:54,410 --> 01:05:52,920 told me in 2016 he said to me me he said 1968 01:05:56,930 --> 01:05:54,420 I kept telling me it's going to happen 1969 01:05:58,609 --> 01:05:56,940 there's going to be disclosure he said a 1970 01:06:00,170 --> 01:05:58,619 number of high-level officials are going 1971 01:06:02,150 --> 01:06:00,180 to come forward and they're going to say 1972 01:06:03,470 --> 01:06:02,160 UFOs are real and there's going to 1973 01:06:04,490 --> 01:06:03,480 they're going to force disclosures this 1974 01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:04,500 exactly what happened high level 1975 01:06:10,130 --> 01:06:07,680 officials Elizondo and put off and Jim 1976 01:06:11,690 --> 01:06:10,140 semivan and melon and all these 1977 01:06:13,010 --> 01:06:11,700 high-level officials came forward is 1978 01:06:14,510 --> 01:06:13,020 exactly what Chris said I remember when 1979 01:06:15,710 --> 01:06:14,520 when Hillary lost the election because 1980 01:06:18,170 --> 01:06:15,720 it was supposed to happen before Hillary 1981 01:06:19,370 --> 01:06:18,180 when Hillary won the election she was 1982 01:06:21,230 --> 01:06:19,380 going to be the disclosure president 1983 01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,240 yeah and so as soon as it didn't happen 1984 01:06:25,069 --> 01:06:23,520 then I said to her I the minute Hillary 1985 01:06:27,470 --> 01:06:25,079 lost the very next day I went back and I 1986 01:06:29,150 --> 01:06:27,480 said so is it over is that is it they're 1987 01:06:31,549 --> 01:06:29,160 calling it off he said oh no it's bigger 1988 01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:31,559 than it was before there it's still a 1989 01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:33,119 game and they're gonna do it and they're 1990 01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:34,559 rolling with the thing and they just 1991 01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:36,720 needed a bunch of months to get the 1992 01:06:41,150 --> 01:06:39,119 thing ready I've actually filed fois on 1993 01:06:43,370 --> 01:06:41,160 the three guys that were involved like 1994 01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:43,380 uh the general from Wright-Patterson our 1995 01:06:50,029 --> 01:06:47,520 first base uh Neil McCaslin McKay and J 1996 01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:50,039 and Robert Weiss I found with the Obama 1997 01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:52,079 Administration for documents and I've 1998 01:06:56,270 --> 01:06:53,760 actually got the classified reports back 1999 01:06:58,190 --> 01:06:56,280 that there are pages on all three of 2000 01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:58,200 them uh in terms of but I don't know 2001 01:07:01,370 --> 01:06:59,760 what's going to be related to UFOs or 2002 01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:01,380 whatever but that's what I do when I do 2003 01:07:06,650 --> 01:07:05,039 my foas I I file for Christmas was 2004 01:07:09,289 --> 01:07:06,660 briefed to the president they went to 2005 01:07:10,910 --> 01:07:09,299 Chris Butzel and they did this thing 2006 01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:10,920 I've heard the story about the metals 2007 01:07:14,750 --> 01:07:12,240 barrier that story with Christopher 2008 01:07:17,930 --> 01:07:14,760 medals that so probably I've listened to 2009 01:07:20,029 --> 01:07:17,940 a lot of stuff so Tim Taylor comes this 2010 01:07:22,270 --> 01:07:20,039 story is told by his son Tim Taylor I 2011 01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,280 have yes it just said yeah 2012 01:07:25,970 --> 01:07:24,480 another piece of metal and he feels this 2013 01:07:28,250 --> 01:07:25,980 thing go up his arm but when Chris does 2014 01:07:29,569 --> 01:07:28,260 it uh when the girlfriend does nothing 2015 01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:29,579 happens because the girlfriend hasn't 2016 01:07:33,289 --> 01:07:31,200 had an experience but when Chris does it 2017 01:07:35,930 --> 01:07:33,299 he basically like in a coma he just goes 2018 01:07:38,450 --> 01:07:35,940 sort of like you know really bad and uh 2019 01:07:40,490 --> 01:07:38,460 it was the idea was Tim Taylor tells him 2020 01:07:42,589 --> 01:07:40,500 that that means you've been face to face 2021 01:07:44,270 --> 01:07:42,599 with it with AET so then you get the 2022 01:07:45,289 --> 01:07:44,280 question is what does Tim Taylor no I'm 2023 01:07:48,049 --> 01:07:45,299 obviously this guy really know about 2024 01:07:49,789 --> 01:07:48,059 what's going on and and and and so when 2025 01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:49,799 they had that then they got Chris to 2026 01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:53,280 describe uh the be the the what the 2027 01:07:58,010 --> 01:07:54,960 woman had told the message is from the 2028 01:08:00,589 --> 01:07:58,020 woman and then Tim Taylor went to the 2029 01:08:01,910 --> 01:08:00,599 president at Camp David and did a 2030 01:08:03,289 --> 01:08:01,920 briefing and that's when Chris put the 2031 01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:03,299 napkin have you ever seen the napkin 2032 01:08:07,309 --> 01:08:05,520 photo yeah it's a napkin photo and as 2033 01:08:09,710 --> 01:08:07,319 soon as I saw that I go what's going on 2034 01:08:11,630 --> 01:08:09,720 here and I'm the presidential napkin and 2035 01:08:14,270 --> 01:08:11,640 so I asked Chris he showed me the pedal 2036 01:08:17,150 --> 01:08:14,280 that he got for the president and I said 2037 01:08:18,890 --> 01:08:17,160 so I said so uh so where'd you get that 2038 01:08:20,329 --> 01:08:18,900 for and he says I can't tell you I can 2039 01:08:22,010 --> 01:08:20,339 just tell you where it came from and 2040 01:08:23,570 --> 01:08:22,020 then he shows me the next photo which 2041 01:08:26,269 --> 01:08:23,580 was a mailing envelope from Camp David 2042 01:08:27,890 --> 01:08:26,279 and I went wow and then then you believe 2043 01:08:29,630 --> 01:08:27,900 that's the real deal I mean they're 2044 01:08:32,269 --> 01:08:29,640 briefing the president on this guy so I 2045 01:08:33,289 --> 01:08:32,279 filed on on Chris Bledsoe and they came 2046 01:08:35,450 --> 01:08:33,299 back and said they don't have any 2047 01:08:37,370 --> 01:08:35,460 material Tim Taylor I think they got 500 2048 01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:37,380 pages now whether it's got anything to 2049 01:08:40,669 --> 01:08:38,880 do with UFOs or whatever but I follow 2050 01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:40,679 and everything everybody in this name is 2051 01:08:44,809 --> 01:08:43,199 related I filed and I just like shoot 2052 01:08:47,209 --> 01:08:44,819 darts and see how many you could get in 2053 01:08:48,650 --> 01:08:47,219 the middle eh that's amazing I really 2054 01:08:50,269 --> 01:08:48,660 hope something comes back from that 2055 01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:50,279 because I have heard those stories and 2056 01:08:53,870 --> 01:08:51,839 they are fascinating we just need some 2057 01:08:55,729 --> 01:08:53,880 some data or something to back them up 2058 01:08:57,530 --> 01:08:55,739 because that will just take it to that 2059 01:08:58,910 --> 01:08:57,540 next level yeah well listen Grant we 2060 01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:58,920 just hit an hour and 10 minutes I just 2061 01:09:02,510 --> 01:09:00,719 want to thank you so much for joining me 2062 01:09:05,150 --> 01:09:02,520 it's been a fascinating conversation 2063 01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:05,160 you'll have to come back again in a few 2064 01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:06,719 months time and we'll we'll do more 2065 01:09:11,630 --> 01:09:09,120 talking is absolutely wonderful so thank 2066 01:09:13,370 --> 01:09:11,640 you so much uh to everybody in the live 2067 01:09:14,990 --> 01:09:13,380 chat I'm gonna give a quick shout out to 2068 01:09:16,849 --> 01:09:15,000 Davey thank you so much for the five 2069 01:09:18,530 --> 01:09:16,859 pound donation really appreciate that my 2070 01:09:20,150 --> 01:09:18,540 friend I'm sorry if I didn't get to 2071 01:09:21,709 --> 01:09:20,160 everybody's questions 2072 01:09:23,630 --> 01:09:21,719 um but I appreciate everyone being here 2073 01:09:25,729 --> 01:09:23,640 and keeping it really nice in the chat 2074 01:09:27,470 --> 01:09:25,739 so I I might be back in the next couple 2075 01:09:30,530 --> 01:09:27,480 of days with Christopher sharp depending 2076 01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:30,540 if we see this UAP report or not if not 2077 01:09:33,950 --> 01:09:32,400 I am going to be back next Tuesday for a 2078 01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:33,960 double whammy so I'm going to be 2079 01:09:38,689 --> 01:09:36,960 interviewing uh Professor Avi Loeb and 2080 01:09:41,450 --> 01:09:38,699 then a few hours later I'm going to be 2081 01:09:43,010 --> 01:09:41,460 interviewing Alejandra Rojas so just go 2082 01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:43,020 over to while you're on my YouTube 2083 01:09:47,209 --> 01:09:44,880 channel go and subscribe hit that Bell 2084 01:09:48,769 --> 01:09:47,219 go and follow me on social media all of 2085 01:09:50,809 --> 01:09:48,779 Grant's links are in the description 2086 01:09:53,090 --> 01:09:50,819 below as well please go and follow Grant 2087 01:09:54,289 --> 01:09:53,100 on on all the sort of networks and his 2088 01:09:56,209 --> 01:09:54,299 website and everything 2089 01:09:58,490 --> 01:09:56,219 and I think that's it guys so for now